Bonus Episode: Trump and Vance in Minnesota, Walz Stock Goes Up, Trump and Vance's Controversial Comments

[00:00:12] Welcome to The Break Down with Brodkorb and Becky, a weekly podcast that breaks down politics, policy and current affairs. I'm Becky Scherr

[00:00:19] And I'm Michael Brodkorb

[00:00:21] Earlier this week, we got into Walz as potential VP and the enthusiasm within the Democratic Party. Today, we are here with a bonus episode where we jump across the aisle and talk about the former President Donald Trump and Vice Presidential Candidate J.D. May.

[00:00:34] We are going to start by breaking down the campaign's recent rally in St. Cloud, Minnesota and how the matchup is looking right here in our backyard. Next, we will break down the state of politics today and follow up on a little of the Walz commentary as things evolve this week. We will then get into Trump's comments on Kamala Harris's race this week during a panel hosted by the National Association of Black Journalists. We will keep her a theme of harmful comments by the Republican ticket by breaking down the ridiculous statements about childless women and subsequent

[00:01:04] quote-unquote apology by J.D. Vance. Thanks for joining us and enjoy the show.

[00:01:12] President Trump and J.D. Vance were in Minnesota, came back for their second rally of the year. They were in St. Cloud on Saturday, July 27. A little over 8,000 people inside, almost 10,000 people plus waited outside in 90 degree heat to get into one of the first Trump rallies after the assassination attempt and after the announcement of Vance as the running mate.

[00:01:37] President Trump and J.D. Vance was in Minnesota, July 27. A little over 8,000 people in the last year.

[00:02:04] It was interesting to see both J.D. Vance, United States Senator from Ohio and Trump both here at the same time. I don't know to what degree they'll come back, but it was, from an enthusiasm standpoint, by all accounts, vibrant crowd, good turnout, and the Trump campaign is back in Minnesota.

[00:02:25] I'd like to get your thoughts on how long that lasts, but that's the best commentary that I could describe an event that I wasn't at and wouldn't have gone if someone paid me to go.

[00:02:35] I wouldn't be surprised if we saw them again. One of the two of them. I don't think likely two of them together. That's a lot of political thrill to put in one place at the same time. I was surprised we got both of them.

[00:02:46] I think originally we had heard it was going to be Vance and then Trump did get added a couple days prior.

[00:02:51] I do think that it certainly won. I think Minnesota is going to remain on the Trump's list of probably top tier two, right?

[00:02:59] Like they've got the top tier battleground states that they need to win. I think also here in Minnesota, coverage does lean over into Wisconsin, which is a state that needs to continue in play for the Trump campaign.

[00:03:11] And so I think there is some benefit there. I know that there's also, we've been talking a lot about kind of the teamwork side of the Trump campaign.

[00:03:20] And Tom Emmer, Republican leader in Congress, obviously from Minnesota. St. Cloud is in the 6th Congressional District, which Emmer represents. Emmer was on stage. Trump mentioned him five or six times throughout his speech saying,

[00:03:33] Tom, or pointing to him, nodding to him. So I definitely think that is something to it as well. I think this is a making sure that we're all one big happy family, playing nice and doing that.

[00:03:43] I do think, though, Minnesota, let's chat about the recent poll. KSTP came out with a poll July 26th. First poll since Harris was made the nominee. Harris is up over Trump by 10. She is 50-40.

[00:03:57] This is an increase from where it was previously under Biden. Under Biden, it was 47-41. She has gained some points.

[00:04:05] It should be noted that the poll says it was 42% Democratic voters and 37% GOP. So there is a split of four there. But anyways, Trump is up, or I'm sorry, Harris is up effectively by 10 right now, has made major inroads with women in the state, seven points higher than Biden, five points higher than Biden was on independence.

[00:04:27] So I find it really hard to believe that this is going to be the first year in some 40, 50 years that Republicans turn Minnesota red for President Trump. But crazier things have happened.

[00:04:40] I think the poll is a reflection of what I heard from Republicans after Biden got out, which is that this is going to change the dynamic in Minnesota quite a bit.

[00:04:49] And I don't think Trump has done anything to improve his standing in the state of Minnesota.

[00:04:54] And in fact, I think which we can get into more in the next subject, but I think Minnesota is largely off the map.

[00:05:00] And I think I think the it shows, I think something that we discussed with Will said we'll discuss that how Republicans could win the state is paraphrasing a bit.

[00:05:10] But there needs to be apathy a little bit at the top of the ticket that Republicans don't necessarily win, but Democrats kind of need to lose.

[00:05:16] And I think Trump's the proximity of the race between Biden and Trump was exactly as we described it in fits in historically, which is that there was frustration.

[00:05:28] There was some there was an enthusiasm gap between what Republicans were feeling for Trump in a sense that there were Republicans were incredibly unified and enthusiastic.

[00:05:38] Some Republicans were not me, but Republicans were for voting for Trump and there was less and there was an enthusiasm gap between Biden and Trump.

[00:05:47] You remove Biden from the equation and the enthusiasm gas gap is closed.

[00:05:52] Democrats are in very enthusiastic right now about the process about Vice President Harris's rising and becoming the nominee.

[00:06:00] And so I don't know how much longer even Trump's campaign will consider Minnesota to be on the map.

[00:06:08] I think a lot of the VP stakes, which we get to later in the show, will have some impact on that.

[00:06:13] Just a couple of things I want to say about Trump's appearance here and regarding the poll and in particular.

[00:06:20] I we I was surprised.

[00:06:23] Let's say a couple of things.

[00:06:24] We've done a couple of shows in the aftermath of Trump's the assassination attempt on Trump.

[00:06:28] I watched his speech at the National Convention and I am not a Trump supporter.

[00:06:35] Didn't vote for him in 1620.

[00:06:38] Didn't vote for him this year.

[00:06:39] And I didn't vote for him in the presidential primary.

[00:06:42] I won't be voting for him again this time around.

[00:06:44] I was very curious how the near death experience that he had, where he was almost killed at a presidential rally,

[00:06:52] would change him in terms of who he is as a presidential candidate.

[00:06:56] And what is surprising to me is that Trump's political standing.

[00:07:04] Let me just be callous that he didn't get more of a poll bump out of nearly getting killed.

[00:07:10] I don't know another way to say it.

[00:07:11] Again, I'm not a Trump supporter.

[00:07:13] Didn't vote for him.

[00:07:14] And I hope he doesn't win the election.

[00:07:16] He's a human being.

[00:07:17] And it's something that we've talked about before, particularly with Shannon Watson, about kind of the dehumanization of politics.

[00:07:25] But the reality is, I think that Donald Trump is not a very popular candidate.

[00:07:30] And his high watermark, this is someone who got 46.8% of the vote in 2020.

[00:07:36] He's never been a 51% candidate, particularly, certainly not in Minnesota.

[00:07:41] He's unpopular.

[00:07:42] And I think the best indication of how unpopular Donald Trump is as a person is he almost lost his life.

[00:07:51] And his polls have largely gone down.

[00:07:54] And I am surprised by that.

[00:07:57] And I really want to caution and temper my remarks.

[00:07:59] One of the things, Becky, I so enjoy about our podcast is we can have people on who are like MAGA MAGA people.

[00:08:05] We can have Democrats on who are opposite of MAGA.

[00:08:08] And then I think you and I fall in some ways in that center.

[00:08:11] And we've always been responsible with our rhetoric about the former president.

[00:08:14] We certainly didn't call him America's Hitler like J.D. Vance did or use some of that language as J.D. Vance used to describe.

[00:08:20] I've never spoken to him or said words like J.D. Vance has said about Donald Trump.

[00:08:25] I am very surprised.

[00:08:27] I shouldn't say surprised.

[00:08:28] I think it's something of knowing that Donald Trump nearly lost his life, was nearly assassinated.

[00:08:35] And the race, it's largely been forgotten.

[00:08:40] Because I think Donald Trump, for a variety of reasons, I think it's largely been forgotten.

[00:08:45] And one of them, I think sadly, is that Donald Trump is so unpopular.

[00:08:52] And honestly, that makes me sad.

[00:08:54] Again, I say that because I want people to humanize other people.

[00:08:58] I wish we could talk about our political leaders and politics was not as personal and is filled with vitriol and hate.

[00:09:09] Donald Trump almost lost his life last month.

[00:09:12] Came very close to losing his life.

[00:09:14] And I think in a normal political circumstance, someone like that, that could have been a huge boost in his poll numbers.

[00:09:23] But it hasn't been.

[00:09:24] Because I think fundamentally, there was a lot of people, I think, that paused.

[00:09:29] We're like, wait, let's see if this changes him.

[00:09:32] Let's see if this changes his rhetoric.

[00:09:34] I think if Donald Trump would have gone out and spoke at the National Convention and given the first 30 minutes of his speech,

[00:09:41] I think we would be talking about an entirely different race right now.

[00:09:44] But I think Donald Trump normalized the race by going past those additional 30 minutes of his speech, going off script and getting right back to who he was.

[00:09:55] And it's unfortunate because I do think that Donald Trump nearly losing his life, there should be more of a pause collectively as a country.

[00:10:05] Even though I'm not a Trump supporter because he is a human being, the presidential race is moving forward and it's moving ahead.

[00:10:12] And Donald Trump has gotten no bump or any type of sizable boost out of nearly losing his life.

[00:10:20] And I'm not saying that as something to mock or make fun of.

[00:10:25] I'm bringing it up as just an observation.

[00:10:27] I think we I just wanted to make sure was noted.

[00:10:30] I think it's great to note.

[00:10:32] And I think it really does.

[00:10:34] If we look in and zoom in on what the last two to three weeks have really included, we had it was at Saturday, I think the 13th that Trump was the assassination attempt on Trump.

[00:10:46] And we went into the RNC convention.

[00:10:49] And then on Sunday, the 21st, Biden dropped out.

[00:10:52] And so I really think I agree with you.

[00:10:54] I think that they did not play the speech at the RNC convention.

[00:10:59] We were told these tore up a script.

[00:11:02] We were expecting, I think, something to have been changed and to be different about the speech that we got.

[00:11:08] But I think when you dive into, again, the politics of politics and how the strategy of some, man, oh, man, do we have to applaud the Biden team for making the decision to drop out when they did.

[00:11:22] They took all the wind out of the sails of the Republican side of things, because I think had that not happened on that day, had that happened prior or maybe a week later, I think things would be different.

[00:11:34] I think there would have been a little bit more momentum coming out of the RNC following the almost death of President Trump.

[00:11:42] And I do think things would look a little different.

[00:11:46] But instead, eight days after this assassination attempt, Biden drops out.

[00:11:52] All the tension ships left.

[00:11:54] Then we have a couple of days of watching Matt and watching people pump up Harris.

[00:11:58] And then it become officially Harris.

[00:11:59] And now the Harris boost.

[00:12:01] And I really think that what a crazy difference two weeks of time can really make on something, because it's and I think we should get into this a little bit more as we move forward.

[00:12:14] But I think Trump and the Trump campaign are a little lost at how to send their arrows towards Kamala.

[00:12:20] I think that they had a strategy of what they were going to do with Biden.

[00:12:23] They thought they knew what they were going to do with Harris.

[00:12:25] And I think Harris is responding relatively effectively or at least bouncing back some of the attacks they're throwing on her.

[00:12:33] And I just really think they're stumbling right now.

[00:12:35] And it will be interesting to see when they catch their footing again.

[00:12:40] Correct.

[00:12:41] The other thing I would say is Trump's statements in Minnesota.

[00:12:43] One of the things he discussed was he thinks he can win Minnesota as long as they don't cheat.

[00:12:49] I will say to you, we have had Secretary Steve Simon on our podcast.

[00:12:56] Hope to have him on again.

[00:12:57] I do think that I would have liked to have seen in the aftermath of Trump's departure from the state.

[00:13:04] I would have appreciated if there had been more pushback on some of those statements.

[00:13:08] There is a lot of misinformation out in the election cycle.

[00:13:12] And my concern is that, first of all, Donald Trump said he wasn't going to come back to Minnesota if he lost the state.

[00:13:19] He is still out there pushing this narrative that he thinks he may have won in 2020 here in Minnesota.

[00:13:24] And he's laying the groundwork to say that if he doesn't win, if he doesn't win, it's because of cheating.

[00:13:31] I really have to say to the Republican aligned advocacy groups out there that are pushing election integrity and other stuff.

[00:13:37] Now is the time in which to speak up because Donald Trump is laying the seeds for there to be infighting that continues in this state about election integrity.

[00:13:47] And I think our Secretary of State, Steve Simon, is a very good ambassador for democracy and elections in this state.

[00:13:55] And I think there's obviously policing on both sides of Democrats and Republicans on matters related to election.

[00:14:01] But the sitting, the Republican nominee for president came to this state and said and made the direct claim that he can win this state as long as they don't cheat.

[00:14:13] And he believes that he knows they won Minnesota in 2020.

[00:14:18] Donald Trump did not win in 16.

[00:14:20] He did not win in 20.

[00:14:22] I do not believe he's going to lose.

[00:14:24] He didn't win in 16.

[00:14:26] He didn't win in 20.

[00:14:28] And I don't believe he's going to win Minnesota in 2024.

[00:14:30] None of those elections that he lost in Minnesota were because of cheating.

[00:14:35] And I think that we've seen how this plays out.

[00:14:39] And I would call on the Republicans who are pushing election integrity and others to reassure Minnesotans and Republicans that we can have fair elections in this state,

[00:14:51] that we can have transparent elections in this state.

[00:14:53] And we need to stomp out the embers and the sparks that Donald Trump is starting to create here in some fires because I think it's unfortunate.

[00:15:02] And we know how this can end.

[00:15:04] And there needs to be more of a Republican effort to tamp down his remarks.

[00:15:10] I completely agree.

[00:15:12] I think we completely agree with all of that sentiment.

[00:15:15] I believe Joe Biden did win the election.

[00:15:18] I think we both stated that in the past.

[00:15:20] And that's certainly true.

[00:15:21] And yes, I think before the upcoming election, maybe when early voting comes,

[00:15:26] we'd love to have Secretary of State Steve Simon on to chat again about about all things election integrity and all of that to make sure that folks have the utmost confidence in our election cycle.

[00:15:39] I want to move on to state of politics and throw it over to you to kick us off here.

[00:15:45] I think we have an interesting state of the race here in Minnesota.

[00:15:48] And let's look back where we were.

[00:15:49] We've discussed.

[00:15:50] In May, we had a pretty unique situation.

[00:15:53] And again, I'm not saying this to beat a dead horse.

[00:15:58] I just always want the listeners and people to be transparent.

[00:16:00] Not Trump guy.

[00:16:01] Didn't vote for him in 16.

[00:16:02] Didn't vote for him in 20.

[00:16:03] Not voting for him this time.

[00:16:04] But we had a really good discussion, I thought, with Kip Christensen and John Rouleau about the Trump event, how it was a unifying event, how it was a good rallying point.

[00:16:12] And the argument that I've made in the past, and there was some good pushback from all three of you, including you, about Trump not being much of a team player and him not being value added to the ticket.

[00:16:22] And I think that the selection of J.D. Vance and his comments afterwards and the ascension of Kamala Harris as the vice presidential nominee has fundamentally changed this race.

[00:16:34] There's certain things that I think that Republicans can't control, but there are some things within their wheelhouse that they can do.

[00:16:40] And I think it's incumbent upon some of these Republicans, I think, to listen to where we're at now.

[00:16:47] Because in May, we were in a situation where KSTP, I think, had done a series of polls that showed that this was a neck and neck race.

[00:16:55] And that changed.

[00:16:57] And why did it change?

[00:16:58] Did it change just because of Harris?

[00:17:00] Did it change for other reasons?

[00:17:02] We're now in a situation where what we have right now is we also have as Republicans what they're looking at coming through to the August primary.

[00:17:09] Donald Trump is now behind.

[00:17:12] And I think Republicans need to be consistent about polling.

[00:17:15] They touted the KSTP numbers when they were released, and we did that.

[00:17:18] And I think you and I are both smart enough to know that polls are snapshot in time and you have to evolve.

[00:17:24] And this race could absolutely tighten up.

[00:17:26] But where the race is right now in Minnesota is Donald Trump, if we want to look at poll to poll, is 10 points behind in this state.

[00:17:32] We also have a situation where we have the Republican-endorsed candidate for the United States Senate, Royce White, who I believe, if the election were held today, would win the primary.

[00:17:43] I've seen nothing of substance from Joe Frazier's campaign that he's in a position to win the race.

[00:17:48] So my concern right now is this, is if Donald Trump is at the top of the ticket and then in Minnesota, then we have an anti-Semite, someone who I think is not living in real world as Royce White, then as the top of the ticket.

[00:18:03] It's going to be real hard for Republicans to make some gains.

[00:18:07] And I think I would be doing a disservice if I didn't take advantage of the fact that I was a homeless Republican and say something needs to change here quickly.

[00:18:17] Because Royce White is, I think, in a position to win the primary.

[00:18:21] And if he wins the primary and he's at the top of the ticket, you have, then you have Donald Trump and you have Royce White.

[00:18:28] Good luck Republicans picking up seats in the House.

[00:18:31] Good luck in the second congressional gesture because Republicans can't win in this state within that type of environment.

[00:18:38] They simply can't.

[00:18:39] We've seen polling in other KSTP showing that Democrats are surging in the suburbs, a subject that we talked about.

[00:18:48] We've talked about how we've dedicated multiple podcast episodes talking about how Republicans can do better in the suburbs.

[00:18:55] And guess what, Republicans? You can't nominate, you can't have people like Royce White at the top of your ticket and then have Donald Trump come into the state with J.D. Vance with the type of comments that he makes and think you're going to pick up seats in the state.

[00:19:09] It's simply not going to happen.

[00:19:11] And I think it's a real, I think if I am really concerned, the presidential race, I think, is out of, I think, is certainly out of the control of me.

[00:19:21] The Senate race is out of the control of me, but I'm just going to say to you, my take is right now that Royce White wins the primary.

[00:19:28] The Frazier campaign has to do something to start stepping up their game, taking the fight to Royce White and doing some type of activity that can mobilize Republicans to win.

[00:19:40] Because this race is, I think, Minnesota Republicans are drastically letting this election cycle slip away.

[00:19:48] And we've talked about, and me, again, I'm someone who's not a Trump supporter.

[00:19:52] And I've tried to be as fair in my analysis as I can about him.

[00:19:56] But then you couple Royce White into this dynamic and you throw J.D. Vance's comments that we're the state of the race is.

[00:20:01] This election cycle is slipping away from Republicans in Minnesota.

[00:20:05] And people better start taking it seriously.

[00:20:07] Because I think there's a distinct possibility come August 14th, the day after the primary, that Republicans are trying to pick up seats in the House with Donald Trump and J.D. Vance to the top of the ticket.

[00:20:20] And Royce White is your U.S. Senate candidate.

[00:20:22] And that's a nightmare scenario.

[00:20:23] It's impossible for Republicans to make any gains in that type of political environment.

[00:20:28] So, if you're a Republican who wants to win in November, get off the sidelines regarding Royce White in the Senate race.

[00:20:35] Now is the time to speak up.

[00:20:36] Frase your campaign.

[00:20:37] Do something.

[00:20:38] Get engaged.

[00:20:39] Get active.

[00:20:40] Show that there's some signs of life.

[00:20:42] Because I got to tell you something.

[00:20:44] I think I'm pretty good at handicapping races.

[00:20:48] And right now, I'd give the advantage to Royce White.

[00:20:50] And that should scare the living hell out of every normal Republican in this state.

[00:20:55] Wow.

[00:20:56] I agree.

[00:20:56] I think it's a really tough spot for us to be in.

[00:21:02] Because it is really tough to consider what the down-ballot repercussions might be if people stay home, if they're just turned off from Republican politics for the foreseeable future.

[00:21:12] I think that there's been such an evolution within the party.

[00:21:15] You and I picture a snapshot of that because of our all-in dedication.

[00:21:21] And now not.

[00:21:22] Because we are like so many that don't believe that the Republican Party and the candidates really represent our views and what we stand for and what we previously loved to champion and work for.

[00:21:33] And so it's hard to think about how do things turn around?

[00:21:38] Obviously, yes.

[00:21:39] Yes.

[00:21:39] Frazier winning the primary would be a great stepping stone, a great start to that, to take back and say this is not the type of candidate.

[00:21:48] This is not who we stand for and what we support.

[00:21:51] But I personally think it's going to be a good number of years.

[00:21:54] It's going to be if Trump's elected at least four more years before we can take back the reins and maybe change this perception of what Republican politics can stand for and what the party is and who we represent.

[00:22:06] And it's tough.

[00:22:08] It's sad.

[00:22:09] It's depressing.

[00:22:10] And the outlook is a little bleak.

[00:22:12] I am grateful for some of the individual state legislators and local candidates we do have.

[00:22:18] Unfortunately, they don't get the platform like some of these other candidates.

[00:22:22] And it's really, I agree with you.

[00:22:24] I went into, I still want to be optimistic that Republicans will take the House.

[00:22:29] I just, I don't, I'm certainly not as optimistic as I was six months ago about it.

[00:22:35] So I'm with you.

[00:22:35] Please, if you have the capability to donate your time, your energy, your talents, whatever it might be, get involved.

[00:22:43] Doorknock.

[00:22:43] I know that there are a lot of hearing from some folks that are working on the ground.

[00:22:47] People need to hear.

[00:22:48] They don't even, a lot of voters don't even know there's a primary election coming up.

[00:22:52] So please get out.

[00:22:53] Share on social media.

[00:22:54] Let people know.

[00:22:56] Get out and vote in August.

[00:22:58] And I will also say a dynamic that's really changed is Governor Walz.

[00:23:01] And feel free to load your ammo on me right now.

[00:23:04] But let me just say this to you.

[00:23:05] Where we were in this race, where we were a month ago is entirely different.

[00:23:09] And I put out a little take last night preview about what it was going to discuss, what I want to discuss about the state of race, particularly Walz's standing.

[00:23:17] I don't know if Walz is going to be picked as the VP to be a running mate of Vice President Harris.

[00:23:23] I can see pros and cons in each way.

[00:23:26] And I have tried to offer, I think, objective analysis of why I think Walz could be viewed as a national figure outside of the state of Minnesota.

[00:23:38] All politics is local.

[00:23:39] And I think sometimes when I think familiarity in some ways breeds contempt.

[00:23:45] Walz is around here more.

[00:23:46] But I think just looking at politics as someone from another state would and looking through those factors, I think Walz is clearly in the mix.

[00:23:54] And I think Republicans should pause and think about that for a second.

[00:23:58] In 2012, Minnesota had two candidates running for president from the Republican side.

[00:24:05] We had Tim Pawlenty and Michelle Bach.

[00:24:08] And now here's where we are.

[00:24:10] Where are we right now?

[00:24:11] Right now, we are what?

[00:24:13] 12 years later?

[00:24:14] 12 years later and right now, we have Governor Tim Walz in the running in, I think, probably in fair to say one, two or three of being the VP selection.

[00:24:25] And being selected by Vice President Kamala Harris to be the running mate.

[00:24:29] Independent of whether Tim Walz gets selected or not, I think he has come through this process in an amazing way.

[00:24:35] First of all, he's done nothing to hurt his chances.

[00:24:38] He's been value added to the Democrats.

[00:24:40] He has come up with this kind of phrase of the Republican candidates being weird.

[00:24:46] And let's talk about weird for a second.

[00:24:48] I did an interview this morning with someone on the weird comments.

[00:24:51] And my statement was is that negative politics works.

[00:24:55] Anytime I go to schools or classrooms, college or elementary or anywhere in between, I always say that negative politics works.

[00:25:03] It's because people ask, why is politics so negative?

[00:25:05] I always say, because negative politics works.

[00:25:09] I got a funny story for you.

[00:25:11] When I was getting married, I was married at a church in Iowa.

[00:25:16] And the priest who was overseeing the marriage was in the middle of the ceremony, was doing some off script remarks.

[00:25:24] He said, Michael, he goes, you work in politics.

[00:25:26] How do you win in politics?

[00:25:28] And the answer he was looking for was to have a plan.

[00:25:32] What I said, because that's what he said.

[00:25:34] In a marriage, you should have a plan and you got to work together.

[00:25:36] You know what I said in front of the entire church?

[00:25:38] Negative ads.

[00:25:40] Negative.

[00:25:40] In front of both, in front of my family, my wife's family, an entire church in Petersburg, Iowa.

[00:25:47] I said negative ads.

[00:25:49] That was my response.

[00:25:50] Is that on video somewhere?

[00:25:51] I think it is on video somewhere, but that was my answer.

[00:25:55] And because that's true.

[00:25:56] And he was looking for the answer plan, but it's negative.

[00:25:59] Negative politics works.

[00:26:00] And so the best kind of negative politics are the ones that kind of make you smile a little bit.

[00:26:06] And everybody knows someone that's weird.

[00:26:09] And that's the type of remark that hits.

[00:26:11] And Tim Walls has already been value added.

[00:26:15] Even if he doesn't get picked as VP, he's already been value added to the Democratic Party in this process.

[00:26:20] If Kamala Harris wins, I think Tim Walls is, if he's not picked to be the VP, I think he absolutely will be a part of the cabinet.

[00:26:30] And there's a distinct likelihood that he is recruited to leave Minnesota to be part of the Harris administration, independent of him being a VP.

[00:26:42] But what Walls and the Democrats have accomplished here in Minnesota has been simply astounding.

[00:26:47] Walls has helped.

[00:26:49] Minnesota Democrats unite around Harris.

[00:26:52] And I think it's fundamentally taken Minnesota off the map.

[00:26:55] Not only has, I think, it taken Minnesota off the map, but they have coalesced in such teamwork that I think the Republicans' ability to divide the Democrats in Minnesota is much more difficult.

[00:27:07] And I think he's been incredibly valuable to the Democrats as they prepare for the Democratic National Convention.

[00:27:16] He's been incredibly powerful and advocate for the Harris ticket.

[00:27:21] And he's been very value added to the Republicans in messaging against.

[00:27:25] And Republicans have to recognize how that happened.

[00:27:28] Do you know how that happened, Minnesota Republicans?

[00:27:30] Because you nominated weirdos to run against him.

[00:27:34] That's why it happened.

[00:27:35] Tim Walls was created in Minnesota.

[00:27:39] And I have said very frequently, it's important to pick your friends, but it's also really important to pick your enemies.

[00:27:45] And in some ways, I think it's more important to pick your enemies.

[00:27:47] Tim Walls has had political enemies in this state that he has benefited immensely from.

[00:27:53] Remember, we had Scott Jensen on the podcast.

[00:27:55] And as much as we had a good discussion with him, let's remember what the Jensen-Burke message was against Tim Walls.

[00:28:01] It was COVID masks were like Nazis and a bunch of sexist remarks about women and comments about abortion and other types of stuff.

[00:28:11] Tim Walls succeeded in that environment.

[00:28:14] And that's been the type of message we have.

[00:28:16] Republicans in 2018 had a choice of nominating Jeff Johnson to run against Tim Walls, or they could have picked Tim Pawlenty.

[00:28:24] And those of you who decided that a rerun of Jeff Johnson running in 2018 was better than a former sitting governor, great job.

[00:28:35] Because Tim Walls wasn't created in some laboratory somewhere.

[00:28:41] He is a political candidate who was risen to the national prominence because, in part,

[00:28:47] because of the incompetence and the morons that have been running and trying to message against Tim Walls over the last few years.

[00:28:54] He has succeeded.

[00:28:56] And I think the Republicans' response to Walls being on the nomination list is just as feckless as their attacks against him.

[00:29:05] Tim Walls is successful today in part because Tim Walls is a good politician,

[00:29:10] but because Republicans have been so incompetent in how they have messaged against him.

[00:29:15] Tim Walls decided to have lunches for every kid in this state.

[00:29:20] Legislative Democrats pushed it too.

[00:29:23] What was Republicans' response to stand up and fight that type of stuff?

[00:29:27] Republicans have died on the wrong hills related to Tim Walls.

[00:29:32] And if anyone should be looking in the mirror as to why Minnesota is suddenly off the map for the Trump campaign,

[00:29:38] it's Minnesota Republicans.

[00:29:40] And Tim Walls, and let me just deal with me directly and just make this about me for just a second.

[00:29:47] I ran a website called Minnesota Democrats Exposed for a long time.

[00:29:52] I identify now with Tim, and I was the deputy chair of the party.

[00:29:56] I identify now more with Tim Walls than anything that existed with Jeff Johnson's campaign,

[00:30:00] with Scott Jensen's campaign.

[00:30:02] There's nothing that I identify related to that campaign.

[00:30:05] Tim Walls is normal in comparison to Jensen and Burke.

[00:30:10] They were weird.

[00:30:12] And Republicans in the state have to understand,

[00:30:15] rather than lampooning and making fun of me because I decided to endorse Tim Walls,

[00:30:20] maybe you should start trying to understand why Tim Walls,

[00:30:23] why I identify now more with Tim Walls,

[00:30:25] because there's a lot of people like me

[00:30:27] who used to be a part of this party that want this party to succeed,

[00:30:32] that believe that Tim Walls is a hell of a lot more normal

[00:30:35] than some of the Republicans that are running for office.

[00:30:39] And I'll give you a perfect example.

[00:30:40] How about Royce White?

[00:30:42] Because I got to tell you something,

[00:30:44] Royce White is, I think, is absolutely a racist, anti-Semit bigot.

[00:30:51] I think he is the worst candidate the Republicans have ever endorsed

[00:30:55] for statewide office in this state.

[00:30:57] And that says a lot based on who they've endorsed in the last few years.

[00:31:01] And there is literally no contest between

[00:31:03] if you're an average Minnesotan sitting by and saying,

[00:31:07] I could go with Tim Walls,

[00:31:09] or should I go with maybe the party that thinks Royce White is a good guy to back?

[00:31:13] That stuff matters.

[00:31:15] And I got to just say to you,

[00:31:17] Republicans have to wake up in the state

[00:31:18] because I was someone who drove around this state,

[00:31:23] who lit dropped, who door knocked,

[00:31:24] who missed kids' events, family events, vacations, and other things to help this party out.

[00:31:31] And right now, I believe that the Democratic Party is more connected to Minnesota voters

[00:31:39] than anything that exists inside the Republican Party.

[00:31:42] And guess what?

[00:31:43] When you nominate and you endorse people like Royce White for the United States Senate,

[00:31:47] and you bring in Donald Trump, who lies about our elections,

[00:31:50] and when we get into the next subject,

[00:31:52] when you rally around J.D. Vance,

[00:31:54] who I thought was weird in 2022,

[00:31:57] and the party shouldn't have brought him in,

[00:31:59] and when you start to rally around people who make comments

[00:32:02] about women and cat ladies

[00:32:05] and how they shouldn't vote and all this type of stuff,

[00:32:07] this is why Republicans lose elections.

[00:32:10] This is exactly why Republicans lose elections.

[00:32:13] So, Republican, you have gone from this being

[00:32:16] a contested political race here in Minnesota

[00:32:18] to this race being out, I think, right now out of reach

[00:32:22] for Republicans in this state.

[00:32:24] We have the Democratic governor of this state

[00:32:26] who, working with Minnesota Democrats,

[00:32:30] has united this state in a strong message.

[00:32:32] He is in the top tier to be picked

[00:32:35] to be Kamala Harris's running mate,

[00:32:38] and even if he isn't picked,

[00:32:40] I don't know what's better for Republicans.

[00:32:41] If Tim Walls leaves the state

[00:32:43] and becomes her running mate right away,

[00:32:46] or he stays here and is here in the election,

[00:32:48] because Republicans have a real problem,

[00:32:51] and that's Tim Walls.

[00:32:52] They created him, in part,

[00:32:54] because of how they've messaged against him.

[00:32:57] And rather than responding and looking at candidates

[00:33:00] like Scott Jensen and some of the other crazy positions

[00:33:03] that they've espoused,

[00:33:05] they should take a page out of Tim Walls' playbook.

[00:33:08] Learn how to adapt, learn how to evolve,

[00:33:11] and try to win elections.

[00:33:13] Because Tim Walls is a lot of things.

[00:33:14] You know what he is?

[00:33:15] He's a winner.

[00:33:17] And that's the best way to shut up your critics,

[00:33:19] is to win.

[00:33:20] And Republicans can pound sand all they want.

[00:33:23] They can whine about this, whine about that,

[00:33:25] blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:33:26] What makes them mad about Tim Walls?

[00:33:27] He's been successful.

[00:33:29] And Republicans, rather than Republicans,

[00:33:33] should quietly start analyzing

[00:33:35] why Tim Walls has been successful.

[00:33:37] Because the reason this state,

[00:33:39] over the last few years,

[00:33:40] has gone from an opportunity

[00:33:42] where we had two Republican candidates

[00:33:43] running for president out of the states,

[00:33:45] and things were good,

[00:33:46] this state is on the cusp of being lost

[00:33:51] for Republicans for a very long time.

[00:33:53] We have not,

[00:33:54] Republicans have not won

[00:33:56] a statewide race since 2006.

[00:33:59] The last time a Republican-endorsed candidate

[00:34:01] for United States Senate

[00:34:02] got more than 50% of the vote

[00:34:04] was in 1988,

[00:34:06] David Derenberger.

[00:34:07] The last time the Republican-endorsed candidate

[00:34:09] for governor got more than 50% of the vote

[00:34:11] was 1978,

[00:34:12] an alquit.

[00:34:14] Republicans have not had a governing majority

[00:34:16] in terms of mandate from the voters

[00:34:18] on a statewide candidate

[00:34:19] in the longest time.

[00:34:22] And it's about time Republicans take stock in that.

[00:34:24] And so, in closing, if I may,

[00:34:27] when you got Donald Trump

[00:34:28] and J.D. Vance to the top of the ticket,

[00:34:30] and then right now,

[00:34:32] if the election were held today,

[00:34:33] you got Royce White ready to bring

[00:34:35] his racist hatred,

[00:34:37] his anti-Semitism,

[00:34:39] his bigoted views

[00:34:40] to the suburbs

[00:34:42] and all across the state,

[00:34:44] Republicans should not be surprised

[00:34:45] why they can't have nice things in the state.

[00:34:48] It's because of these types of decisions.

[00:34:50] I completely agree.

[00:34:52] And I think it's,

[00:34:53] I think the historical context

[00:34:55] is also important

[00:34:56] because this isn't just

[00:34:57] because of the MAGA movement, right?

[00:34:59] It's not just because of this new Trump.

[00:35:01] I think we can point to,

[00:35:03] we've had lots of conversations

[00:35:04] about the problems

[00:35:05] with the endorsement process

[00:35:06] and how it does tend to turn out

[00:35:08] for the sometimes more fringe candidates,

[00:35:11] a Royce White key problem of that.

[00:35:14] So I do think there's something to that.

[00:35:16] I also think it's this place

[00:35:17] where we are in,

[00:35:18] where there's so many Republican voters

[00:35:21] and operatives that have turned off

[00:35:23] by the current situation

[00:35:25] that they've turned away

[00:35:26] from helping in these ways.

[00:35:28] We see, I think,

[00:35:29] with the Pawlenty and Frazier,

[00:35:31] we, I think that sometimes

[00:35:34] these candidates,

[00:35:35] I think, feel free to disagree,

[00:35:36] but think that normalcy

[00:35:38] and just being a normal,

[00:35:40] sane candidate

[00:35:41] is going to be enough to break through.

[00:35:43] And I think there are still

[00:35:44] major failures about both of those campaigns

[00:35:46] and how they were run

[00:35:47] that they are not finding

[00:35:49] the success they should be.

[00:35:50] I think that Frazier

[00:35:51] had a lot of opportunity

[00:35:52] when we talked to him.

[00:35:53] He seems like he should be able

[00:35:55] to step into that.

[00:35:56] I don't think that we've seen

[00:35:58] anything in terms of a robust,

[00:36:01] comprehensive, strategic campaign

[00:36:03] that would allow for that.

[00:36:05] And I don't know

[00:36:06] where that missing piece is.

[00:36:07] I don't know where that failure is.

[00:36:09] But I know there was

[00:36:10] a lot of frustration too.

[00:36:11] I love Governor Pawlenty.

[00:36:12] I supported him

[00:36:13] when he ran for president.

[00:36:14] I was not actively supporting anybody

[00:36:17] when he was running

[00:36:17] against Jeff Johnson

[00:36:18] because of my jobs,

[00:36:19] but would have liked him

[00:36:21] to be successful.

[00:36:22] There were certainly failures

[00:36:23] surrounding those campaigns.

[00:36:25] But I think to your point

[00:36:26] that when we talk a lot

[00:36:29] about the messaging

[00:36:30] and I think we tend to be

[00:36:32] propping up

[00:36:33] or supporting some of these candidates

[00:36:36] who represent a further right

[00:36:40] wing of the party,

[00:36:41] but also, I don't know if it's,

[00:36:44] some of it I think is willing,

[00:36:46] negligence in the way they speak

[00:36:48] and some of it's just ignorance,

[00:36:49] but can't get out of their own ways.

[00:36:51] And I think it's a really frustrating

[00:36:52] when we see all of these unforced errors

[00:36:55] come into play

[00:36:56] and play into the downfall

[00:36:59] of Republican policies

[00:37:00] and politics

[00:37:01] and candidates here in the state.

[00:37:03] And I do want to get more into that

[00:37:05] because we have two topics

[00:37:06] to talk about some of the comments

[00:37:08] and the messaging

[00:37:09] and how that can get Republicans in trouble.

[00:37:11] But one thing I do want to,

[00:37:12] when we talk about walls

[00:37:14] and how he's ascending

[00:37:15] through national politics

[00:37:17] in the state

[00:37:18] and obviously across the country,

[00:37:20] you went back to the archives this week

[00:37:22] and pulled out an episode

[00:37:22] from March or April of 2023.

[00:37:25] So we are still relatively new to this,

[00:37:27] but we were talking about

[00:37:28] an article that came out about Trump,

[00:37:30] I'm sorry,

[00:37:31] about walls

[00:37:32] on the national stage.

[00:37:33] And one of the comments

[00:37:34] that we chatted a little bit about

[00:37:35] is,

[00:37:36] what does Senator Amy Klobuchar

[00:37:38] think of this?

[00:37:38] And so I just wanted to circle back

[00:37:40] before we move on to the next topic

[00:37:42] is,

[00:37:43] because I agree with you,

[00:37:44] if Walls is not picked for VP,

[00:37:46] if Kamala Harris is elected,

[00:37:48] I do believe that he has,

[00:37:50] is going to be having new job offers

[00:37:51] come to him.

[00:37:52] So I want to get another,

[00:37:54] just circle it back to that

[00:37:56] of,

[00:37:56] what do you think

[00:37:57] that Klobuchar's take,

[00:37:58] being that she's

[00:37:59] constantly been on the shortlist

[00:38:01] of the Supreme Court

[00:38:02] and President

[00:38:02] and all of these different things,

[00:38:04] do you think there's going to be

[00:38:05] any bad blood there

[00:38:07] in Democratic politics

[00:38:09] here in the state?

[00:38:10] I don't think there will be.

[00:38:11] And I've listened to our comments

[00:38:12] before,

[00:38:13] in the past,

[00:38:13] and I think it exists.

[00:38:14] At one point,

[00:38:15] again,

[00:38:15] going back to that episode,

[00:38:17] Hubert Humphrey was

[00:38:17] the Vice President,

[00:38:19] Eugene McCarthy was,

[00:38:20] there was some challenges there.

[00:38:21] That all happened

[00:38:22] in the state of Minnesota.

[00:38:23] One thing I think people forget

[00:38:24] sometimes

[00:38:25] is the Democratic,

[00:38:26] the Democratic Party

[00:38:27] in Minnesota

[00:38:27] is called the DFL.

[00:38:29] It is the fusion

[00:38:30] of the Democratic

[00:38:30] and Farmer Labor Party.

[00:38:32] The Democrats in Minnesota

[00:38:34] are a coalitions-based party.

[00:38:37] They are much better

[00:38:37] at working together

[00:38:39] because of that unique

[00:38:40] and rich history

[00:38:41] you have,

[00:38:42] the fusion of the Farmer Labor

[00:38:43] and the Democratic Party.

[00:38:44] So they're a coalitions-based party.

[00:38:46] I think the question,

[00:38:48] I think there's absolutely

[00:38:49] enough opportunity

[00:38:50] for Senator Klobuchar to exist

[00:38:52] and for Governor Wallace

[00:38:54] to exist on the national

[00:38:55] political landscape.

[00:38:56] I think ultimately

[00:38:57] the question shouldn't be

[00:38:58] is why is,

[00:39:01] and I'll say in response,

[00:39:02] I think,

[00:39:03] I don't think there'll be

[00:39:04] bad blood.

[00:39:05] I don't think there'll be

[00:39:07] consternation.

[00:39:07] I think the lesson is

[00:39:09] why is Minnesota

[00:39:10] becoming,

[00:39:11] is so in the bag

[00:39:12] for Democrats

[00:39:12] that they can launch here,

[00:39:14] they can,

[00:39:15] this can be

[00:39:16] the,

[00:39:16] this can be the proving ground

[00:39:18] for their policies

[00:39:19] so they can get plucked up nationally.

[00:39:21] That's what should frustrate

[00:39:22] Republicans more.

[00:39:23] I think that,

[00:39:24] I think that Klobuchar

[00:39:26] would have been

[00:39:27] a strong running mate

[00:39:28] for Joe Biden.

[00:39:29] And we had,

[00:39:30] didn't have the podcast

[00:39:31] back then,

[00:39:31] but I was saying that

[00:39:32] back then.

[00:39:33] I understand

[00:39:34] why the choice was made,

[00:39:36] where,

[00:39:36] why Biden went

[00:39:37] the way that he did.

[00:39:38] But I think that Klobuchar,

[00:39:40] if I think that I could see

[00:39:41] Klobuchar being,

[00:39:43] if Harris wins,

[00:39:44] I could see her being

[00:39:45] a candidate.

[00:39:45] I could see her being

[00:39:46] an attorney,

[00:39:47] her attorney general.

[00:39:48] I could see Walls being,

[00:39:50] Walls being a part

[00:39:50] of the administration

[00:39:51] if he's not the V,

[00:39:52] if he's not the VP.

[00:39:54] There's ample opportunities.

[00:39:55] I think one of the things

[00:39:58] is that makes,

[00:39:59] I think,

[00:39:59] Klobuchar very attractive

[00:40:01] to being a part

[00:40:01] of the administration

[00:40:02] is two things.

[00:40:03] Number one,

[00:40:04] I think her record,

[00:40:05] two,

[00:40:06] her seat is safe.

[00:40:07] It's not,

[00:40:08] one of the factors

[00:40:09] that's going in

[00:40:09] about Kelly,

[00:40:11] Senator Kelly

[00:40:11] from Arizona

[00:40:12] being part of the pick

[00:40:13] is if Kelly's picked,

[00:40:15] can the Democrats

[00:40:16] hold that seat

[00:40:17] in two years?

[00:40:19] They can take

[00:40:20] Klobuchar off the table

[00:40:21] if she wanted to be

[00:40:22] a part of the administration.

[00:40:23] And it's almost

[00:40:25] a sure thing.

[00:40:26] The closest thing

[00:40:27] that can be a sure thing

[00:40:28] is that Republicans,

[00:40:29] that the Democrats

[00:40:30] will hold the seat

[00:40:31] in Minnesota.

[00:40:32] And so I think

[00:40:33] Klobuchar is in

[00:40:34] a wonderful opportunity

[00:40:35] to reap the benefits

[00:40:37] from the Harris,

[00:40:39] whatever ticket

[00:40:40] that exists

[00:40:40] if it's part

[00:40:41] of the administration.

[00:40:42] The other thing

[00:40:42] is that Senator Klobuchar

[00:40:44] is on autopilot

[00:40:47] to win re-election

[00:40:48] this election cycle.

[00:40:50] So that'll be

[00:40:50] her fourth term?

[00:40:52] My math is correct.

[00:40:53] I think that would be

[00:40:54] the start of her fourth term.

[00:40:55] The United States Senate

[00:40:56] is a seniority-based institution.

[00:40:58] I could see her

[00:40:59] staying in the Senate

[00:41:00] and being a part

[00:41:01] of the leadership

[00:41:02] of the Senate

[00:41:02] even more

[00:41:03] as it proceeds forward.

[00:41:05] She's in an incredibly

[00:41:07] safe seat

[00:41:07] and she's got

[00:41:08] a lot of options.

[00:41:09] And so I think

[00:41:10] the Democrats

[00:41:11] are going to be able

[00:41:12] to handle that

[00:41:12] just fine.

[00:41:16] Do you want to move on

[00:41:17] just to keep us going?

[00:41:19] But I think

[00:41:19] this is something

[00:41:20] that is a

[00:41:21] further conversation

[00:41:22] that I think

[00:41:23] we need to continue

[00:41:23] to have

[00:41:24] as it's obviously

[00:41:25] not going away.

[00:41:26] And certainly

[00:41:26] as we see

[00:41:27] the primary in August

[00:41:28] and should Bryce White

[00:41:30] be successful

[00:41:31] we'll certainly

[00:41:32] have lots to say

[00:41:32] about that.

[00:41:33] I want to shift us

[00:41:34] to some troubling

[00:41:35] comments from

[00:41:36] President Trump.

[00:41:37] He was at a panel

[00:41:38] hosted by the

[00:41:39] National Association

[00:41:40] of Black Journalists.

[00:41:41] You sent me some links.

[00:41:43] I was doing

[00:41:43] dinner time

[00:41:44] with a kid last night.

[00:41:45] You sent me some links

[00:41:46] and I think that

[00:41:48] I guess

[00:41:49] he showed up

[00:41:50] so that's great.

[00:41:51] But they didn't

[00:41:52] take it easy on him

[00:41:52] and they certainly

[00:41:53] held his feet

[00:41:54] to the fire

[00:41:54] on some past comments.

[00:41:56] But some new comments

[00:41:57] I think was a little

[00:41:58] bit more telling.

[00:41:59] He claimed at the panel

[00:41:59] last night

[00:42:00] and this week again

[00:42:00] at this event

[00:42:01] that he did not know

[00:42:02] until a few years ago

[00:42:03] that Harris

[00:42:04] who is Indian American

[00:42:05] and Black

[00:42:06] was Black.

[00:42:07] He then suggested

[00:42:08] that she only decided

[00:42:09] to quote

[00:42:10] turn Black

[00:42:11] recently

[00:42:12] for political game.

[00:42:13] So now these are

[00:42:14] some direct quotes

[00:42:15] from Trump.

[00:42:16] I've known her

[00:42:17] a long time

[00:42:17] indirectly

[00:42:18] and she was always

[00:42:18] of Indian heritage

[00:42:19] and she was only

[00:42:20] promoting Indian heritage.

[00:42:22] I did not know

[00:42:22] she was Black

[00:42:22] until a number

[00:42:24] of years ago

[00:42:25] when she happened

[00:42:25] to turn Black

[00:42:26] and now she wants

[00:42:27] to be known as Black.

[00:42:28] I respect either one

[00:42:29] but obviously she doesn't

[00:42:30] because she was

[00:42:31] Indian all the way

[00:42:32] and then all of a sudden

[00:42:33] she took a turn

[00:42:33] and she became Black.

[00:42:34] Somebody should look

[00:42:35] into that too.

[00:42:36] Is she Indian

[00:42:37] or is she Black?

[00:42:40] I'm almost

[00:42:41] a little speechless

[00:42:41] when I see

[00:42:42] and read

[00:42:43] and hear

[00:42:43] things like this

[00:42:44] because again

[00:42:46] are we living

[00:42:47] in a live episode

[00:42:48] of Beep

[00:42:49] that this

[00:42:50] are truly comments

[00:42:52] that come out

[00:42:52] from a former

[00:42:54] sitting president

[00:42:55] that we don't

[00:42:56] know enough

[00:42:57] about this time

[00:42:58] even if you

[00:42:59] don't agree

[00:43:01] with the

[00:43:02] understanding

[00:43:03] that a person

[00:43:04] is how they identify

[00:43:06] that even if you

[00:43:07] don't buy in

[00:43:08] to the

[00:43:10] DEI way

[00:43:12] of corporate America

[00:43:13] or politics

[00:43:14] or any of that

[00:43:15] even if that's

[00:43:15] all not something

[00:43:17] how

[00:43:18] is this negligence

[00:43:20] is this

[00:43:20] his just truly

[00:43:22] ignorance

[00:43:22] or is this

[00:43:23] Trump just

[00:43:23] trying to get

[00:43:24] attention

[00:43:25] or I don't

[00:43:26] even know

[00:43:27] what to attribute

[00:43:28] to this too

[00:43:28] that he doesn't

[00:43:29] see him

[00:43:30] putting his foot

[00:43:31] in his mouth

[00:43:31] as he talks

[00:43:32] and he continues

[00:43:33] to go and go

[00:43:34] and double down

[00:43:35] I just

[00:43:36] it's

[00:43:37] first of all

[00:43:38] what does it matter

[00:43:39] she

[00:43:39] is

[00:43:41] an Indian American

[00:43:42] she is a Black

[00:43:43] woman

[00:43:43] those are both

[00:43:44] part of who she

[00:43:45] is

[00:43:46] and always has

[00:43:47] been

[00:43:47] I think that

[00:43:49] it's so frustrating

[00:43:50] I just don't even

[00:43:51] know

[00:43:51] where to go

[00:43:53] here

[00:43:53] he

[00:43:55] former president

[00:43:56] Donald Trump

[00:43:57] gets in his own

[00:43:58] way

[00:43:58] all the time

[00:43:59] and it is

[00:44:01] the biggest

[00:44:01] frustration

[00:44:01] because

[00:44:02] while

[00:44:03] I've been

[00:44:04] struggling

[00:44:04] with who

[00:44:05] I'm going

[00:44:05] to support

[00:44:06] and I don't

[00:44:06] think I can

[00:44:07] cast my ballot

[00:44:07] to Kamala Harris

[00:44:09] but I'm

[00:44:10] and as much

[00:44:11] as I want

[00:44:11] to leave

[00:44:11] the door

[00:44:12] open

[00:44:12] to former

[00:44:13] president

[00:44:14] Donald Trump

[00:44:15] it's things

[00:44:16] like this

[00:44:16] that I just

[00:44:17] had so

[00:44:18] turned off

[00:44:18] about the

[00:44:19] advance

[00:44:19] Trump ticket

[00:44:20] that I

[00:44:20] just

[00:44:20] can't

[00:44:21] get there

[00:44:22] how are

[00:44:23] these men

[00:44:24] so ignorant

[00:44:25] in how

[00:44:25] they view

[00:44:27] large portions

[00:44:28] of our

[00:44:28] country

[00:44:29] and how

[00:44:30] they verbalize

[00:44:31] these things

[00:44:31] what did he

[00:44:33] expect to

[00:44:33] win here

[00:44:33] what was

[00:44:34] the goal

[00:44:35] was he

[00:44:35] just being

[00:44:36] just

[00:44:38] can you

[00:44:38] make any

[00:44:39] sense of

[00:44:39] this to me

[00:44:40] where

[00:44:40] Trump was

[00:44:41] hoping to

[00:44:41] get from

[00:44:42] that

[00:44:43] I think

[00:44:43] that Donald

[00:44:44] Trump knew

[00:44:44] exactly what

[00:44:45] he was doing

[00:44:46] and what he

[00:44:46] was doing

[00:44:46] was this

[00:44:47] he was

[00:44:48] energizing

[00:44:49] his white

[00:44:50] supporters

[00:44:51] by going

[00:44:52] into a room

[00:44:52] full of

[00:44:53] black journalists

[00:44:55] and sticking

[00:44:56] it to him

[00:44:57] I don't think

[00:44:58] he was

[00:44:58] I knew

[00:44:59] I think

[00:44:59] he knew

[00:44:59] exactly

[00:44:59] what he

[00:44:59] was doing

[00:45:00] Donald

[00:45:01] Trump

[00:45:01] is a

[00:45:01] racist

[00:45:02] I think

[00:45:02] he's a

[00:45:03] racist

[00:45:03] individual

[00:45:04] and it's

[00:45:05] part of the

[00:45:05] reason I've

[00:45:06] never

[00:45:07] I'm more

[00:45:07] comfortable

[00:45:08] saying it

[00:45:08] because I

[00:45:09] think it

[00:45:09] was on

[00:45:09] full display

[00:45:10] yesterday

[00:45:10] but I think

[00:45:11] Trump knew

[00:45:11] exactly what

[00:45:12] he was

[00:45:12] doing

[00:45:12] he went

[00:45:13] into a

[00:45:13] room

[00:45:14] full black

[00:45:14] journalists

[00:45:15] and he

[00:45:16] stood up

[00:45:16] and made

[00:45:18] absolutely

[00:45:18] racist

[00:45:18] statements

[00:45:19] he was

[00:45:21] condescending

[00:45:21] disrespectful

[00:45:23] towards

[00:45:23] the female

[00:45:25] journalists

[00:45:25] who were

[00:45:26] asking him

[00:45:26] questions

[00:45:27] and I

[00:45:28] think he

[00:45:28] knew

[00:45:28] exactly

[00:45:29] what he

[00:45:29] was

[00:45:29] doing

[00:45:29] I

[00:45:30] think

[00:45:30] it's

[00:45:30] I think

[00:45:31] it is

[00:45:32] wrong

[00:45:32] of people

[00:45:33] to portray

[00:45:34] Donald

[00:45:34] Trump

[00:45:35] as some

[00:45:36] absent

[00:45:36] minded

[00:45:38] uncle

[00:45:39] your crazy

[00:45:40] uncle

[00:45:40] well Donald

[00:45:41] Trump is

[00:45:41] your racist

[00:45:41] uncle

[00:45:42] and I think

[00:45:43] what was on

[00:45:43] full display

[00:45:44] there he

[00:45:44] was just

[00:45:45] direct

[00:45:45] about it

[00:45:45] he went

[00:45:46] into an

[00:45:46] event

[00:45:46] hosted by

[00:45:47] black

[00:45:48] journalists

[00:45:48] and he

[00:45:49] went in

[00:45:49] there

[00:45:49] and said

[00:45:50] to them

[00:45:50] that he

[00:45:51] didn't

[00:45:51] know

[00:45:51] he had

[00:45:52] questions

[00:45:52] as to

[00:45:53] whether

[00:45:53] the

[00:45:53] sitting

[00:45:54] vice

[00:45:54] president

[00:45:54] of the

[00:45:54] United

[00:45:55] States

[00:45:55] who

[00:45:55] is

[00:45:55] black

[00:45:56] he

[00:45:57] then

[00:45:57] encouraged

[00:45:58] the

[00:45:59] journalists

[00:45:59] in that

[00:46:00] room

[00:46:00] out of

[00:46:01] the

[00:46:01] National

[00:46:01] Association

[00:46:02] of black

[00:46:02] journalists

[00:46:02] to investigate

[00:46:03] and look

[00:46:04] into

[00:46:04] when she

[00:46:05] turned

[00:46:06] black

[00:46:06] now

[00:46:07] he

[00:46:08] walked

[00:46:08] into

[00:46:19] Barack

[00:46:19] Obama

[00:46:21] he

[00:46:21] led

[00:46:22] with

[00:46:22] the

[00:46:22] birther

[00:46:23] argument

[00:46:23] against

[00:46:24] Donald

[00:46:24] Trump

[00:46:24] I mean

[00:46:25] against

[00:46:25] Barack

[00:46:25] Obama

[00:46:26] that was

[00:46:26] his

[00:46:27] foray

[00:46:27] into

[00:46:27] politics

[00:46:28] was to

[00:46:29] engage

[00:46:29] in that

[00:46:30] type

[00:46:30] of

[00:46:30] rhetoric

[00:46:30] that

[00:46:30] type

[00:46:31] of

[00:46:31] racist

[00:46:31] bigoted

[00:46:32] rhetoric

[00:46:32] I

[00:46:33] remember

[00:46:33] when I

[00:46:33] was

[00:46:33] deputy

[00:46:34] chair

[00:46:34] I

[00:46:34] was

[00:46:34] asked

[00:46:35] by

[00:46:35] Pat

[00:46:35] Kessler

[00:46:35] if

[00:46:36] Donald

[00:46:36] Trump

[00:46:37] I

[00:46:37] was

[00:46:37] asked

[00:46:38] if

[00:46:38] Barack

[00:46:38] Obama

[00:46:38] was

[00:46:39] born

[00:46:39] in

[00:46:39] this

[00:46:39] country

[00:46:39] I

[00:46:39] said

[00:46:40] of

[00:46:40] course

[00:46:40] he

[00:46:40] was

[00:46:40] of

[00:46:41] course

[00:46:41] he

[00:46:41] was

[00:46:41] legally

[00:46:42] qualified

[00:46:42] to be

[00:46:43] president

[00:46:43] I

[00:46:44] didn't

[00:46:44] put

[00:46:44] any

[00:46:44] stock

[00:46:45] in

[00:46:45] this

[00:46:45] birther

[00:46:45] agenda

[00:46:46] that

[00:46:47] was

[00:46:47] being

[00:46:47] pushed

[00:46:47] by

[00:46:48] Donald

[00:46:48] Trump

[00:46:49] and

[00:46:49] he's

[00:46:50] playing

[00:46:50] that

[00:46:50] same

[00:46:51] card

[00:46:51] I

[00:46:51] don't

[00:46:51] think

[00:46:52] anyone

[00:46:52] should

[00:46:52] be

[00:46:52] surprised

[00:46:53] at

[00:46:53] what

[00:46:53] he

[00:46:53] did

[00:46:53] I

[00:46:54] think

[00:46:55] what

[00:46:55] is

[00:46:55] surprising

[00:46:56] about

[00:46:56] it

[00:46:56] is

[00:46:57] this

[00:46:57] I

[00:46:57] think

[00:46:58] a

[00:46:58] number

[00:46:58] of

[00:46:58] people

[00:46:59] including

[00:47:00] myself

[00:47:00] were

[00:47:01] wondering

[00:47:02] how much

[00:47:03] the

[00:47:03] shooting

[00:47:03] had

[00:47:03] changed

[00:47:04] him

[00:47:04] and

[00:47:04] would

[00:47:05] this

[00:47:05] be

[00:47:05] a

[00:47:05] different

[00:47:05] kind

[00:47:06] of

[00:47:06] race

[00:47:06] and

[00:47:07] what

[00:47:07] you

[00:47:07] saw

[00:47:07] was

[00:47:08] a

[00:47:09] racist

[00:47:09] bigot

[00:47:10] go

[00:47:10] into

[00:47:10] an

[00:47:11] event

[00:47:11] of

[00:47:11] black

[00:47:12] journalists

[00:47:12] and

[00:47:13] just

[00:47:13] pour

[00:47:13] gasoline

[00:47:14] on

[00:47:14] the

[00:47:14] fire

[00:47:14] he

[00:47:15] wasn't

[00:47:15] interested

[00:47:15] in

[00:47:16] trying

[00:47:16] to

[00:47:16] win

[00:47:16] over

[00:47:17] any

[00:47:17] of

[00:47:17] the

[00:47:18] people

[00:47:18] in

[00:47:18] the

[00:47:34] what

[00:47:34] dial

[00:47:35] does

[00:47:35] that

[00:47:35] turn

[00:47:35] you

[00:47:36] know

[00:47:36] what

[00:47:36] helps

[00:47:36] out

[00:47:36] it

[00:47:37] helps

[00:47:37] out

[00:47:37] his

[00:47:37] white

[00:47:37] base

[00:47:38] who

[00:47:39] think

[00:47:39] he

[00:47:39] did

[00:47:39] that

[00:47:39] he

[00:47:40] was

[00:47:40] brave

[00:47:40] and

[00:47:40] stuck

[00:47:41] it

[00:47:41] to

[00:47:41] them

[00:47:41] and

[00:47:42] went

[00:47:42] into

[00:47:43] the

[00:47:43] belly

[00:47:43] of

[00:47:43] the

[00:47:43] beast

[00:47:44] and

[00:47:44] went

[00:47:45] in

[00:47:45] with

[00:47:45] the

[00:47:45] liberal

[00:47:45] media

[00:47:46] Donald

[00:47:46] Trump

[00:47:47] is

[00:47:48] a

[00:47:48] peddler

[00:47:48] of

[00:47:49] race

[00:47:49] and

[00:47:50] he

[00:47:50] is

[00:47:50] a

[00:47:50] sexist

[00:47:51] bigot

[00:47:51] and

[00:47:52] we

[00:47:52] saw

[00:47:52] it

[00:47:52] on

[00:47:53] stage

[00:47:53] yesterday

[00:47:53] the

[00:47:54] way

[00:47:54] he

[00:47:54] spoke

[00:47:55] to

[00:47:55] those

[00:47:55] female

[00:47:55] journalists

[00:47:56] is

[00:47:57] how

[00:47:57] he

[00:47:57] speaks

[00:47:58] to

[00:47:58] journalists

[00:47:58] that

[00:47:59] he

[00:47:59] doesn't

[00:48:00] like

[00:48:00] and

[00:48:00] he

[00:48:00] uses

[00:48:01] terms

[00:48:01] to

[00:48:02] put

[00:48:02] them

[00:48:03] down

[00:48:03] in

[00:48:04] ways

[00:48:04] that

[00:48:04] he

[00:48:04] wouldn't

[00:48:05] do

[00:48:05] other

[00:48:05] people

[00:48:06] I

[00:48:06] don't

[00:48:06] know

[00:48:07] how

[00:48:07] many

[00:48:07] more

[00:48:07] times

[00:48:07] people

[00:48:08] need

[00:48:08] to

[00:48:08] see

[00:48:08] examples

[00:48:09] of

[00:48:09] this

[00:48:09] I

[00:48:09] believe

[00:48:10] Donald

[00:48:10] Trump

[00:48:10] at

[00:48:11] his

[00:48:11] heart

[00:48:12] is

[00:48:12] a

[00:48:13] sexist

[00:48:13] he's

[00:48:14] Mr.

[00:48:15] Hart

[00:48:15] from

[00:48:16] nine

[00:48:16] to

[00:48:16] five

[00:48:16] he's

[00:48:17] a

[00:48:17] sexist

[00:48:17] egotistical

[00:48:18] lying

[00:48:18] hypocritical

[00:48:19] bigot

[00:48:19] it's

[00:48:20] what

[00:48:20] I

[00:48:26] he

[00:48:26] did

[00:48:26] yesterday

[00:48:27] is

[00:48:27] because

[00:48:27] I

[00:48:27] think

[00:48:28] it's

[00:48:28] so

[00:48:28] transparent

[00:48:29] because

[00:48:31] if

[00:48:31] we're

[00:48:31] acting

[00:48:32] as

[00:48:32] if

[00:48:32] I

[00:48:32] think

[00:48:33] it's

[00:48:34] wrong

[00:48:34] of

[00:48:35] anyone

[00:48:35] to

[00:48:35] say

[00:48:35] oh

[00:48:36] he's

[00:48:36] the

[00:48:36] crazy

[00:48:37] uncle

[00:48:37] and

[00:48:37] he

[00:48:37] doesn't

[00:48:38] know

[00:48:38] what

[00:48:38] he's

[00:48:38] doing

[00:48:38] that's

[00:48:39] what

[00:48:39] a lot

[00:48:39] of

[00:48:39] people

[00:48:39] are

[00:48:39] saying

[00:48:40] and

[00:48:56] I

[00:48:56] I

[00:48:57] liked

[00:48:57] Donald

[00:48:58] Trump

[00:48:58] it's

[00:48:58] why

[00:48:59] I

[00:48:59] have

[00:48:59] never

[00:48:59] voted

[00:48:59] for

[00:49:00] Donald

[00:49:00] Trump

[00:49:00] because

[00:49:01] I

[00:49:01] believe

[00:49:01] he

[00:49:01] is

[00:49:02] exactly

[00:49:02] like

[00:49:03] Mr.

[00:49:03] Hart

[00:49:03] in

[00:49:04] nine

[00:49:05] to

[00:49:05] five

[00:49:05] he's

[00:49:06] a

[00:49:06] sexist

[00:49:06] egotistical

[00:49:06] lying

[00:49:07] hypocritical

[00:49:07] bigot

[00:49:08] and

[00:49:08] by the

[00:49:08] way

[00:49:08] if

[00:49:09] you

[00:49:26] yesterday

[00:49:26] to

[00:49:26] go

[00:49:27] into

[00:49:27] that

[00:49:27] room

[00:49:28] and

[00:49:29] be

[00:49:29] presidential

[00:49:29] and

[00:49:30] talk

[00:49:30] about

[00:49:30] legitimate

[00:49:31] issues

[00:49:31] but

[00:49:31] he

[00:49:32] went

[00:49:32] in

[00:49:32] there

[00:49:32] with

[00:49:32] his

[00:49:33] racist

[00:49:33] grenade

[00:49:34] threw

[00:49:35] it

[00:49:35] in

[00:49:35] the

[00:49:35] room

[00:49:35] and

[00:49:35] left

[00:49:36] and

[00:49:36] who's

[00:49:37] cheering

[00:49:37] right

[00:49:37] now

[00:49:37] who's

[00:49:38] out

[00:49:38] there

[00:49:38] excited

[00:49:39] about

[00:49:39] what

[00:49:39] he

[00:49:40] did

[00:49:40] yesterday

[00:49:40] who

[00:49:41] thinks

[00:49:41] he

[00:49:41] did

[00:49:41] a

[00:49:41] good

[00:49:41] job

[00:49:42] not

[00:49:42] many

[00:49:43] black

[00:49:43] people

[00:49:43] that

[00:49:43] I've

[00:49:43] seen

[00:49:44] on

[00:49:44] TV

[00:49:44] because

[00:49:44] I've

[00:49:45] been

[00:49:45] watching

[00:49:45] TV

[00:49:46] as I

[00:49:47] do

[00:49:47] I

[00:49:47] rotate

[00:49:48] through

[00:49:48] MSNBC

[00:49:49] Fox

[00:49:49] News

[00:49:49] CNN

[00:49:50] and

[00:49:50] I've

[00:49:51] seen

[00:49:51] a

[00:49:51] number

[00:49:51] of

[00:49:52] I

[00:49:52] don't

[00:49:52] think

[00:49:52] I've

[00:49:52] seen

[00:49:53] one

[00:49:53] analyst

[00:49:53] go

[00:49:54] out

[00:49:54] and

[00:49:54] say

[00:49:54] he

[00:49:55] did

[00:49:55] the

[00:49:55] right

[00:49:55] thing

[00:49:56] and

[00:49:56] in

[00:49:56] fact

[00:49:57] I

[00:49:57] saw

[00:49:57] a

[00:49:57] number

[00:49:58] of

[00:49:59] African

[00:49:59] American

[00:49:59] black

[00:50:00] Republican

[00:50:01] strategists

[00:50:01] going

[00:50:01] out there

[00:50:02] and

[00:50:02] saying

[00:50:02] this

[00:50:03] was

[00:50:03] terrible

[00:50:03] and

[00:50:04] at

[00:50:04] some

[00:50:04] point

[00:50:05] I'm

[00:50:06] not

[00:50:06] going

[00:50:06] to

[00:50:06] get

[00:50:06] gaslit

[00:50:07] anymore

[00:50:19] the

[00:50:19] same

[00:50:19] racist

[00:50:20] bigoted

[00:50:20] theories

[00:50:21] that

[00:50:21] he's

[00:50:21] peddled

[00:50:22] for

[00:50:22] years

[00:50:22] and

[00:50:23] you

[00:50:23] know

[00:50:23] what's

[00:50:23] really

[00:50:23] sad

[00:50:24] Becky

[00:50:24] is

[00:50:25] because

[00:50:25] after

[00:50:26] Donald

[00:50:26] Trump

[00:50:27] did

[00:50:27] it

[00:50:27] guess

[00:50:28] what

[00:50:29] Royce

[00:50:29] White

[00:50:30] with

[00:50:31] the

[00:50:31] Republican

[00:50:31] endorsement

[00:50:32] behind his

[00:50:33] back

[00:50:33] did

[00:50:33] last

[00:50:33] night

[00:50:34] he

[00:50:34] went

[00:50:34] and

[00:50:34] did

[00:50:35] a

[00:50:35] podcast

[00:50:35] last

[00:50:35] night

[00:50:36] and

[00:50:36] he

[00:50:36] doubled

[00:50:36] down

[00:50:37] on

[00:50:37] the

[00:50:37] rhetoric

[00:50:37] and

[00:50:38] that

[00:50:38] guy

[00:50:38] is

[00:50:38] doing

[00:50:39] it

[00:50:39] with

[00:50:39] the

[00:50:39] Republican

[00:50:40] endorsement

[00:50:40] behind

[00:50:40] him

[00:50:41] and

[00:50:41] so

[00:50:42] Royce

[00:50:43] White

[00:50:43] and

[00:50:44] Donald

[00:50:44] Trump

[00:50:49] supported

[00:50:49] Biden

[00:50:49] at

[00:50:50] some

[00:50:50] point

[00:50:51] and

[00:50:51] I

[00:50:51] believe

[00:50:51] he

[00:50:52] also

[00:50:52] has

[00:50:53] endorsed

[00:50:53] RFK

[00:50:53] in

[00:50:54] this

[00:50:54] race

[00:50:55] that's

[00:50:55] the

[00:50:55] type

[00:50:55] of

[00:50:56] candidate

[00:50:56] we

[00:50:56] have

[00:50:56] on

[00:50:56] the

[00:50:56] Republican

[00:50:57] side

[00:50:57] of

[00:50:57] the

[00:50:57] United

[00:50:57] States

[00:50:58] Senate

[00:50:58] they'll

[00:50:58] see

[00:50:59] racist

[00:50:59] behavior

[00:51:00] being

[00:51:00] done

[00:51:01] and

[00:51:02] he'll

[00:51:02] embrace

[00:51:02] it

[00:51:03] and

[00:51:03] wrap

[00:51:03] himself

[00:51:03] on

[00:51:04] the

[00:51:04] flag

[00:51:04] that's

[00:51:04] why

[00:51:05] Donald

[00:51:05] Trump

[00:51:05] is

[00:51:06] a

[00:51:06] bad

[00:51:06] candidate

[00:51:06] and

[00:51:07] Republicans

[00:51:09] need

[00:51:09] to

[00:51:09] stop

[00:51:09] this

[00:51:10] stuff

[00:51:10] and

[00:51:11] I

[00:51:11] think

[00:51:11] we

[00:51:11] also

[00:51:12] have

[00:51:12] to

[00:51:12] stop

[00:51:18] sugar

[00:51:19] I

[00:51:19] think

[00:51:19] every

[00:51:20] Republican

[00:51:20] should

[00:51:21] be

[00:51:21] speaking

[00:51:21] out

[00:51:21] against

[00:51:21] it

[00:51:22] and

[00:51:23] I

[00:51:23] know

[00:51:23] that

[00:51:23] there's

[00:51:24] limitations

[00:51:24] on what

[00:51:25] folks

[00:51:25] will

[00:51:25] do

[00:51:25] they're

[00:51:26] going

[00:51:26] to

[00:51:26] try

[00:51:26] to

[00:51:26] spin

[00:51:27] it

[00:51:27] and

[00:51:27] couch

[00:51:27] it

[00:51:27] as

[00:51:28] all

[00:51:28] these

[00:51:28] other

[00:51:28] things

[00:51:28] Donald

[00:51:29] Trump

[00:51:29] is

[00:51:50] to

[00:51:51] be

[00:51:51] optimistic

[00:51:51] of

[00:51:52] some

[00:51:52] of

[00:51:52] his

[00:51:52] efforts

[00:51:53] working

[00:51:53] across

[00:51:53] the

[00:51:53] aisle

[00:51:54] and

[00:51:54] some

[00:51:55] of

[00:51:55] the

[00:51:56] more

[00:51:56] independent

[00:51:57] thinking

[00:51:57] and

[00:51:58] thoughts

[00:51:58] and

[00:51:58] comments

[00:51:59] he's

[00:51:59] had

[00:51:59] obviously

[00:52:00] as

[00:52:00] more

[00:52:00] comes

[00:52:00] out

[00:52:00] and

[00:52:01] it's

[00:52:01] not

[00:52:01] good

[00:52:01] for

[00:52:02] J.D.

[00:52:02] Vance

[00:52:02] or

[00:52:02] the

[00:52:02] Trump

[00:52:03] ticket

[00:52:03] so

[00:52:04] this

[00:52:05] largely

[00:52:05] stems

[00:52:06] from

[00:52:06] original

[00:52:07] comments

[00:52:07] back

[00:52:07] in

[00:52:07] 2021

[00:52:08] where

[00:52:09] he

[00:52:10] had

[00:52:10] comments

[00:52:10] about

[00:52:11] questioning

[00:52:11] why

[00:52:12] some

[00:52:12] of

[00:52:12] the

[00:52:12] leading

[00:52:12] politicians

[00:52:13] did not

[00:52:13] have

[00:52:13] children

[00:52:14] used

[00:52:15] Kamala

[00:52:15] Harris

[00:52:15] as

[00:52:16] an

[00:52:16] example

[00:52:16] again

[00:52:16] back

[00:52:17] in

[00:52:17] 2021

[00:52:17] some

[00:52:36] miserable

[00:52:36] too

[00:52:37] he

[00:52:37] tried

[00:52:38] to

[00:52:38] couch

[00:52:38] some

[00:52:38] of

[00:52:38] the

[00:52:38] comments

[00:52:39] saying

[00:52:39] having

[00:52:40] kids

[00:52:40] makes

[00:52:40] you

[00:52:40] a

[00:52:41] better

[00:52:41] person

[00:52:41] then

[00:52:42] goes

[00:52:42] into

[00:52:42] the

[00:52:42] fact

[00:52:43] that

[00:52:43] so

[00:52:43] many

[00:52:43] people

[00:52:43] especially

[00:52:44] in

[00:52:44] America's

[00:52:45] leadership

[00:52:45] class

[00:52:45] don't

[00:52:46] have

[00:52:46] that

[00:52:46] in

[00:52:46] their

[00:52:46] lives

[00:52:47] I

[00:52:47] worry

[00:52:47] that

[00:52:47] it

[00:52:48] makes

[00:52:48] people

[00:52:48] more

[00:52:48] sociopathic

[00:52:49] and

[00:52:50] ultimately

[00:52:50] our

[00:52:51] whole

[00:52:52] country

[00:52:53] a little

[00:52:53] bit

[00:52:54] less

[00:52:54] mentally

[00:52:55] stable

[00:52:56] when

[00:52:57] this

[00:52:57] came

[00:52:58] out

[00:52:58] he

[00:52:58] tried

[00:52:59] to

[00:52:59] apologize

[00:52:59] more

[00:53:00] to

[00:53:00] cats

[00:53:00] than

[00:53:01] to

[00:53:01] childless

[00:53:02] women

[00:53:02] said

[00:53:07] when

[00:53:08] talked

[00:53:08] about

[00:53:09] the

[00:53:09] Kamala

[00:53:10] Harris

[00:53:10] I

[00:53:10] wish

[00:53:10] her

[00:53:11] and

[00:53:11] her

[00:53:11] step

[00:53:11] children

[00:53:11] her

[00:53:12] whole

[00:53:12] family

[00:53:13] the

[00:53:13] very

[00:53:13] best

[00:53:13] the

[00:53:14] point

[00:53:14] is

[00:53:14] not

[00:53:14] that

[00:53:14] she's

[00:53:14] lesser

[00:53:15] the

[00:53:15] point

[00:53:15] is

[00:53:15] that

[00:53:15] her

[00:53:15] party

[00:53:16] has

[00:53:16] pursued

[00:53:16] a

[00:53:16] set

[00:53:16] of

[00:53:17] policies

[00:53:17] are

[00:53:17] anti

[00:53:19] when

[00:53:19] you're

[00:53:20] explaining

[00:53:20] you're

[00:53:21] losing

[00:53:21] when

[00:53:22] these

[00:53:22] results

[00:53:22] or

[00:53:23] when

[00:53:23] these

[00:53:37] have

[00:53:37] children

[00:53:38] does

[00:53:38] not

[00:53:38] mean

[00:53:39] you

[00:53:39] have

[00:53:39] more

[00:53:39] value

[00:53:40] than

[00:53:40] any

[00:53:40] other

[00:53:41] person

[00:53:41] I

[00:53:42] love

[00:53:42] being

[00:53:43] a

[00:53:43] mother

[00:53:43] I

[00:53:44] am

[00:53:44] so

[00:53:44] proud

[00:53:44] it's

[00:53:45] the

[00:53:45] best

[00:53:45] thing

[00:53:45] I've

[00:53:45] ever

[00:53:46] done

[00:53:46] and

[00:53:46] I've

[00:53:46] always

[00:53:47] known

[00:53:47] that

[00:53:47] I

[00:53:47] want

[00:53:48] to

[00:53:48] have

[00:53:48] kids

[00:53:49] that's

[00:53:49] not

[00:53:49] the

[00:53:49] choice

[00:53:50] or

[00:53:50] path

[00:53:50] for

[00:53:50] everybody

[00:53:51] yeah

[00:53:52] I

[00:53:52] can

[00:53:52] get

[00:53:52] into

[00:53:53] some

[00:53:53] of

[00:53:53] my

[00:53:53] friends

[00:53:53] too

[00:53:54] but

[00:53:54] let's

[00:53:55] chat

[00:53:55] about

[00:53:55] some

[00:53:56] childless

[00:53:56] women

[00:53:56] some

[00:53:57] women

[00:53:57] do

[00:53:58] not

[00:53:58] have

[00:53:58] kids

[00:53:58] because

[00:53:59] they

[00:53:59] want

[00:53:59] to

[00:53:59] travel

[00:54:00] or

[00:54:00] have

[00:54:00] high

[00:54:00] career

[00:54:01] aspirations

[00:54:01] some

[00:54:02] women

[00:54:02] choose

[00:54:02] not

[00:54:03] to

[00:54:03] have

[00:54:03] kids

[00:54:03] because

[00:54:03] they

[00:54:03] simply

[00:54:04] are

[00:54:04] not

[00:54:04] maternal

[00:54:04] or

[00:54:05] that

[00:54:05] just

[00:54:05] is

[00:54:05] not

[00:54:05] what

[00:54:06] they

[00:54:06] want

[00:54:06] their

[00:54:06] life

[00:54:06] to

[00:54:06] look

[00:54:07] like

[00:54:07] and

[00:54:07] other

[00:54:08] women

[00:54:08] don't

[00:54:08] have

[00:54:08] kids

[00:54:09] because

[00:54:09] they

[00:54:09] cannot

[00:54:10] and

[00:54:10] that's

[00:54:10] devastating

[00:54:12] and

[00:54:12] makes

[00:54:12] me

[00:54:12] want

[00:54:13] to

[00:54:13] cry

[00:54:13] because

[00:54:14] I

[00:54:14] know

[00:54:15] women

[00:54:15] who

[00:54:15] fall

[00:54:15] into

[00:54:15] that

[00:54:16] category

[00:54:16] and

[00:54:17] it's

[00:54:18] awful

[00:54:18] and

[00:54:19] to

[00:54:19] tell

[00:54:19] these

[00:54:20] women

[00:54:20] that

[00:54:21] they

[00:54:21] the

[00:54:22] only

[00:54:22] true

[00:54:22] value

[00:54:23] that

[00:54:23] they

[00:54:23] bring

[00:54:23] to

[00:54:23] society

[00:54:25] as

[00:54:26] hardworking

[00:54:27] taxpaying

[00:54:27] contributors

[00:54:28] to our

[00:54:29] society

[00:54:29] to

[00:54:29] diminish

[00:54:30] their

[00:54:30] existence

[00:54:31] to

[00:54:31] the

[00:54:31] ability

[00:54:31] to

[00:54:32] bear

[00:54:33] and

[00:54:33] raise

[00:54:33] children

[00:54:34] is

[00:54:34] insane

[00:54:35] like

[00:54:36] absolutely

[00:54:36] asinine

[00:54:38] let's

[00:54:38] start

[00:54:39] with the

[00:54:39] fact

[00:54:39] that

[00:54:40] men

[00:54:40] cannot

[00:54:40] have

[00:54:40] children

[00:54:41] yes

[00:54:42] you help

[00:54:43] produce

[00:54:43] children

[00:54:43] but

[00:54:44] you

[00:54:44] do

[00:54:44] not

[00:54:44] put

[00:54:44] yourself

[00:54:45] through

[00:54:45] the

[00:54:45] 10

[00:54:45] month

[00:54:46] pregnancy

[00:54:46] subsequent

[00:54:46] hormones

[00:54:47] difficulties

[00:54:47] that

[00:54:48] follow

[00:54:48] and

[00:54:49] when

[00:54:49] I

[00:54:49] was

[00:54:50] reading

[00:54:50] because

[00:54:50] again

[00:54:50] this

[00:54:51] was

[00:54:51] across

[00:54:51] the

[00:54:51] tiktoks

[00:54:52] everywhere

[00:54:52] a cnn

[00:54:53] panel

[00:54:54] had an

[00:54:54] author

[00:54:55] and her

[00:54:56] reaction

[00:54:56] was

[00:54:57] her

[00:54:57] commentary

[00:54:58] was

[00:54:58] just

[00:54:58] bought

[00:54:59] up

[00:54:59] we

[00:55:00] don't

[00:55:00] question

[00:55:01] the

[00:55:01] contribution

[00:55:01] of men

[00:55:02] in our

[00:55:02] society

[00:55:03] because

[00:55:03] they

[00:55:03] don't

[00:55:03] give

[00:55:03] birth

[00:55:04] and so

[00:55:04] we

[00:55:04] shouldn't

[00:55:04] be

[00:55:05] doing

[00:55:05] that

[00:55:05] for

[00:55:05] women

[00:55:05] for

[00:55:06] JD

[00:55:06] Vance

[00:55:06] to

[00:55:07] denigrate

[00:55:07] an

[00:55:07] entire

[00:55:08] group

[00:55:08] of

[00:55:08] women

[00:55:09] based

[00:55:09] on

[00:55:09] an

[00:55:09] arbitrary

[00:55:10] skill

[00:55:10] that

[00:55:16] so

[00:55:16] wild

[00:55:16] women

[00:55:17] are

[00:55:18] CEOs

[00:55:19] women

[00:55:19] are

[00:55:20] doctors

[00:55:20] they're

[00:55:20] teachers

[00:55:21] they're

[00:55:22] paramedics

[00:55:22] they are

[00:55:23] union

[00:55:24] workers

[00:55:24] they are

[00:55:25] doing

[00:55:26] things

[00:55:27] and working

[00:55:27] and contributing

[00:55:28] to our

[00:55:28] society

[00:55:29] they are

[00:55:29] working in

[00:55:30] non-profits

[00:55:30] and churches

[00:55:31] they are

[00:55:31] helping raise

[00:55:32] children

[00:55:33] whether their

[00:55:33] own or

[00:55:34] others

[00:55:34] they are

[00:55:35] helping

[00:55:35] to do

[00:55:36] so much

[00:55:36] in our

[00:55:36] society

[00:55:37] obviously

[00:55:38] just as

[00:55:38] men

[00:55:38] are

[00:55:39] and to

[00:55:40] say

[00:55:40] that

[00:55:41] a woman

[00:55:42] being a

[00:55:42] mother

[00:55:42] is the

[00:55:43] only way

[00:55:44] they can

[00:55:44] bring value

[00:55:44] to this

[00:55:45] society

[00:55:45] is just

[00:55:46] it makes

[00:55:47] my blood

[00:55:47] boil

[00:55:48] quite a

[00:55:48] bit

[00:55:48] and

[00:55:49] it makes

[00:55:50] me

[00:55:50] super

[00:55:50] super

[00:55:51] frustrated

[00:55:51] for

[00:55:53] what

[00:55:54] this

[00:55:54] tells

[00:55:55] young

[00:55:56] women

[00:55:56] and young

[00:55:56] men

[00:55:57] because

[00:55:57] I

[00:55:58] think

[00:55:58] that

[00:55:59] there

[00:56:00] is a

[00:56:00] lot

[00:56:00] of

[00:56:00] pressure

[00:56:01] on

[00:56:01] women

[00:56:01] in

[00:56:01] particular

[00:56:02] to

[00:56:02] have

[00:56:02] children

[00:56:03] and

[00:56:03] have

[00:56:03] subsequent

[00:56:04] children

[00:56:04] and

[00:56:04] to

[00:56:04] do

[00:56:05] that

[00:56:05] and

[00:56:06] I

[00:56:07] am

[00:56:07] so

[00:56:07] grateful

[00:56:07] that

[00:56:08] I

[00:56:17] have

[00:56:17] had

[00:56:19] a

[00:56:19] child

[00:56:19] at

[00:56:20] that

[00:56:20] time

[00:56:20] or

[00:56:20] had

[00:56:20] a

[00:56:20] family

[00:56:21] I'm

[00:56:22] so

[00:56:22] super

[00:56:23] grateful

[00:56:23] that

[00:56:23] I

[00:56:23] had

[00:56:23] that

[00:56:24] support

[00:56:24] and

[00:56:24] it

[00:56:24] just

[00:56:25] makes

[00:56:25] me

[00:56:25] sad

[00:56:25] to

[00:56:25] think

[00:56:26] that

[00:56:27] this

[00:56:27] makes

[00:56:28] some

[00:56:28] women

[00:56:29] feel

[00:56:29] that

[00:56:29] they

[00:56:29] are

[00:56:30] less

[00:56:30] that

[00:56:30] I

[00:56:30] have

[00:56:30] some

[00:56:31] great

[00:56:31] women

[00:56:32] in

[00:56:32] my

[00:56:32] life

[00:56:32] I

[00:56:32] was

[00:56:33] just

[00:56:33] recently

[00:56:33] on my

[00:56:34] 20

[00:56:34] year

[00:56:34] high

[00:56:34] school

[00:56:35] reunion

[00:56:35] and

[00:56:36] the

[00:56:36] number

[00:56:36] of

[00:56:36] folks

[00:56:37] there

[00:56:37] that

[00:56:38] do

[00:56:38] not

[00:56:38] have

[00:56:38] children

[00:56:39] and

[00:56:39] have

[00:56:39] no

[00:56:39] desire

[00:56:39] or

[00:56:40] plans

[00:56:40] to

[00:56:40] have

[00:56:40] children

[00:56:41] is

[00:56:42] just

[00:56:42] very

[00:56:42] different

[00:56:43] than

[00:56:43] it

[00:56:43] was

[00:56:43] a

[00:56:43] decade

[00:56:43] or

[00:56:44] two

[00:56:44] decades

[00:56:44] ago

[00:56:45] and

[00:56:45] certainly

[00:56:45] from

[00:56:46] our

[00:56:46] parents

[00:56:46] generation

[00:56:46] and

[00:56:47] I

[00:56:47] think

[00:56:47] that's

[00:56:48] a

[00:56:48] wonderful

[00:56:48] choice

[00:56:48] that

[00:56:49] women

[00:56:49] get

[00:56:49] to

[00:56:49] have

[00:56:50] these

[00:56:50] days

[00:56:50] whether

[00:56:51] it's

[00:56:51] because

[00:56:51] you

[00:57:00] that's

[00:57:01] your

[00:57:01] choice

[00:57:01] and

[00:57:02] I

[00:57:02] think

[00:57:02] the

[00:57:03] biggest

[00:57:03] issue

[00:57:03] that

[00:57:04] I

[00:57:04] really

[00:57:04] have

[00:57:04] with

[00:57:05] this

[00:57:06] is

[00:57:06] it

[00:57:07] allows

[00:57:08] the

[00:57:08] Democrats

[00:57:08] to

[00:57:09] continue

[00:57:09] to

[00:57:09] perpetuate

[00:57:10] the

[00:57:11] narrative

[00:57:11] which

[00:57:12] I

[00:57:13] sometimes

[00:57:13] agree

[00:57:14] with

[00:57:14] that

[00:57:15] the

[00:57:15] Republican

[00:57:16] Party

[00:57:16] is

[00:57:16] not

[00:57:17] just

[00:57:18] pro-life

[00:57:19] or

[00:57:19] pro-birth

[00:57:19] they

[00:57:20] Republicans

[00:57:22] don't

[00:57:22] support

[00:57:23] the

[00:57:23] children

[00:57:24] and

[00:57:24] the

[00:57:24] families

[00:57:24] after

[00:57:25] that

[00:57:25] right

[00:57:26] they

[00:57:26] want

[00:57:26] all

[00:57:27] this

[00:57:27] it

[00:57:28] allows

[00:57:28] the

[00:57:29] Democrats

[00:57:29] to be

[00:57:29] successful

[00:57:30] and

[00:57:30] saying

[00:57:31] Republicans

[00:57:31] want

[00:57:32] you

[00:57:32] to

[00:57:32] give

[00:57:32] birth

[00:57:32] and

[00:57:33] figure

[00:57:33] it

[00:57:33] out

[00:57:34] they

[00:57:34] are

[00:57:34] not

[00:57:34] going

[00:57:35] to

[00:57:35] give

[00:57:35] you

[00:57:35] paid

[00:57:35] family

[00:57:35] leave

[00:57:36] they

[00:57:36] are

[00:57:36] not

[00:57:36] going

[00:57:36] to

[00:57:36] help

[00:57:37] get

[00:57:37] your

[00:57:37] children

[00:57:37] get

[00:57:38] food

[00:57:38] for

[00:57:38] lunches

[00:57:39] that

[00:57:39] are

[00:57:40] doing

[00:57:40] that

[00:57:40] Republicans

[00:57:41] don't

[00:57:41] care

[00:57:42] and

[00:57:42] while

[00:57:43] I

[00:57:43] don't

[00:57:43] necessarily

[00:57:44] agree

[00:57:44] with

[00:57:44] that

[00:57:45] because

[00:57:45] I

[00:57:45] know

[00:57:45] Republicans

[00:57:46] are

[00:57:46] compassionate

[00:57:46] and

[00:57:46] caring

[00:57:47] and

[00:57:47] we're

[00:57:47] never

[00:57:47] going

[00:57:47] to

[00:57:47] win

[00:57:47] that

[00:58:48] the

[00:58:51] know

[00:58:59] I

[00:58:59] selected

[00:58:59] to be

[00:59:00] the

[00:59:04] featured

[00:59:05] speaker

[00:59:05] at the

[00:59:05] Lincoln

[00:59:06] Reagan

[00:59:06] dinner

[00:59:06] and

[00:59:07] a

[00:59:07] number

[00:59:07] of

[00:59:08] us

[00:59:08] spoke

[00:59:08] out

[00:59:08] and

[00:59:09] said

[00:59:09] JD

[00:59:10] Vance

[00:59:10] should

[00:59:10] be

[00:59:10] coming

[00:59:10] to

[00:59:10] Minnesota

[00:59:11] because

[00:59:11] of

[00:59:11] the

[00:59:11] region

[00:59:12] that

[00:59:13] I've long been of the position that J.D. Vance is a little off, maybe say weird. And I think

[00:59:18] that his comments that he made here completely validate my conception, my beliefs, my preconceived

[00:59:24] beliefs about what type of person he would be. I'm not surprised by this at all. Now, we have a

[00:59:30] podcast. We like to give people an opportunity to speak. We've had people on talking about J.D.

[00:59:34] Vance. But now that it's just you and I can say it, I think J.D. Vance was weird long before this.

[00:59:39] These are horrific comments. I thought about two things right away. First of all, I thought about

[00:59:44] our discussions. Then I also thought about my sister-in-law, who is one of my favorite people

[00:59:50] in my life. My sister-in-law is just delightful. She's not married. She doesn't have kids.

[00:59:57] The sister-in-law that I'm speaking to knows exactly. I'm not going to embarrass her by saying

[01:00:01] her name. But my sister-in-law is just a joy. She is an aunt to my children. She's a sister to my wife.

[01:00:08] And she is just wonderful. I love spending time with her, although she and I can bicker like old

[01:00:15] friends. But she is a delightful person. And I thought to myself, my God, how sad that she gets

[01:00:21] cast in this type of way. I don't know the reasons as to why she has not had children. But what I know

[01:00:28] is that my sister-in-law is smart and capable. She is an executive. She is a teacher. She teaches

[01:00:36] courses. She is strong. She is independent. And she has everything right in this election cycle to

[01:00:42] vote any way she wants and speak up the way that she wants. And for some United States Senator from

[01:00:48] the state of Ohio to diminish her standing because she didn't have children just pisses me off. And I

[01:00:54] think it's sad. And it's the exact type of hatred and division that we have seen Republicans engage in.

[01:01:01] I think J.D. Vance is everything I thought he was in 22 and even worse. I like him less now than I

[01:01:08] liked him before. And I didn't like him that much to begin with. I think he's sexist. I think he believes

[01:01:14] that women in society have one role. And to think that my sister-in-law should be diminished because

[01:01:22] of the successes that she's had in her life and that her successes only have to be defined by having

[01:01:28] children. That's a preposterous statement. That's a preposterous statement. And it's something that we

[01:01:34] have talked about before. It's just sad. And I bet, and I just, I can't imagine all the women out there

[01:01:41] that how they feel when they hear that type of comment. And again, this is where Republicans lose

[01:01:47] women. Okay. Because when it comes down to choice, the choice that Republicans are offering women is

[01:01:53] have kids, have kids and that's it. But you're going to make that, the process by which they do

[01:02:00] that as difficult as possible in some ways. You're going to force them if they become pregnant

[01:02:06] to carry, to risk their life in a situation, to maybe travel across state lines in order to deal

[01:02:13] with the medical emergency that they have. That's what J.D. Vance is offering this country. That's

[01:02:18] what Donald Trump is offering. And I can't imagine how you felt when you heard those statements.

[01:02:24] But I know how I felt. And I immediately thought about our discussion. And I thought about my sister-in-law,

[01:02:30] who is just a delightful person. She's a pain in the ass sometimes to me, and we love to bicker and we

[01:02:35] love to fight and we have some disagreements. But to think that her only standing in the eyes of J.D.

[01:02:41] Vance, she only has a say because of whether she's had a child is simply ridiculous. My sister-in-law,

[01:02:48] I think, is a hell of a lot more successful than J.D. Vance. Let me just also say, I don't think

[01:02:52] women should, this is a comment that was directed towards women. I think men should be pissed off

[01:02:57] about this. I'm pissed off about it. But I feel bad because who he targeted and who he diminished.

[01:03:04] And I'm tired of sitting by quietly as Republicans single out people target and win elections on the

[01:03:11] back of rather than lifting them up. Let me tell you something, Becky. I was not going to vote for

[01:03:16] Trump in Vance. I had not disclosed how I was going to vote this election cycle. And I'm not ready to

[01:03:21] yet. But I will tell you that my position has changed on what I was going to do. And I'm happy to discuss

[01:03:27] it in the coming weeks. But my position has changed. And you want to know why it's changed?

[01:03:31] Is because I think Donald Trump is a racist. And I was waiting to, and I, first of all,

[01:03:37] I was never going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm never going to vote for Donald Trump. But Donald

[01:03:41] Trump is peddling his, the same racism that he did before. He now has got a, he's now got a sidekick

[01:03:47] from Ohio in J.D. Vance. Just disastrous Vance, as I like to call him. Just disastrous Vance is what

[01:03:54] J.D. stands for. Someone also said, D.J. Vance. I've been stealing that from him and using D.J. Vance.

[01:04:00] But I'm now going with J.D. Vance of just disastrous Vance. He's now got a sidekick because

[01:04:05] Donald Trump is throwing out the racist barbs, the bigoted barbs and the sexist barbs. But now we

[01:04:10] got J.D. Vance coming in and targeting women. And I think it's a disastrous ticket they should lose.

[01:04:17] And I think that they are going to lose this election cycle. And in many ways, I hope they do,

[01:04:22] because I think there are people in my family and people in my life that are going to prosper and

[01:04:29] develop a hell of a lot better under a Harris ticket and whoever VP pick is than anything that

[01:04:36] will happen under Trump and Vance. My last real comment here is I think that I see a lot of

[01:04:43] folks wanting us to take personalities aside and focus on the policies. So to focus on the Trump-Vance

[01:04:49] policies, to focus on the Harris potential VP policies. And in general, I do like to do that.

[01:04:58] But here is where I'm starting to struggle because we've talked a lot about how elected officials

[01:05:05] should be held to a higher standard and folks look to them as a little bit of a beacon of how we can and

[01:05:12] should act. And I, in these last two conversations, I get worried about what this means for children

[01:05:21] being raised and seeing this and thinking these things are acceptable ways to communicate with

[01:05:26] each other, acceptable things that other people are forcing or saying about them. And I think it's

[01:05:32] just really tough to think about. We still have a lot of ways to go for women in this world. This is the

[01:05:39] Olympics where there's like a little daycare nursing room for Olympic athletes, many of whom are mothers.

[01:05:46] That's insane. It's 2024. It's just like we talked about with Senator Aramie Quaid. It's 2024. And yes,

[01:05:53] we have made strides and in particular over the last decade, but women, we are not equal and we are not,

[01:06:01] there are still a lot of different things we need to do to have women be able to be looked at and not

[01:06:07] have conversations about when, where you're having your next kid. And are you a daughter or assistant or where

[01:06:14] are your kids when you're on the road traveling or all of these different things that women get asked that working

[01:06:20] fathers do not get asked. And so that's where my current internal struggles are is that I want to take policy or

[01:06:27] take the personalities out and look at the policy politics of, of what individual tickets will do to

[01:06:34] the future of our country and for where I want to raise my kid. But it's getting really tough to do that

[01:06:40] when I feel like it really is such a big role of also what the future looks like for our children

[01:06:49] based on these sort of comments being acceptable on race and on gender and sexuality and all sorts of

[01:06:56] different things that some of both Donald Trump and JD Vance and Royce White and other Republicans do.

[01:07:02] So it's, man, it's a tough time to be a Republican, a wannabe Republican diehard. I'm struggling with it.

[01:07:11] Yes. Go for it.

[01:07:12] Can I ask you a question? Because I thought Mark, when we had that episode with Mark Drake,

[01:07:16] and he was talking about Democrats kind of being a little bit of a sugar high,

[01:07:20] talking about the right track, wrong track of where this is. Here's what I think is so interesting

[01:07:25] is, and I'd like to pose this question to you. Mark's point was that most people feel,

[01:07:32] and at that point, I don't know where the right track, wrong track is now, but he was saying, look,

[01:07:36] what people should be talking about is the right track, wrong track of where this country is going.

[01:07:40] And his argument was that there was a lot of enthusiasm and excitement about Kamala Harris,

[01:07:45] that he was describing as a bit of a sugar high, because the reality of the race

[01:07:49] was that most Americans at that time believed we were headed in the wrong direction.

[01:07:53] So I guess my question I'd like to ask you is this.

[01:07:56] I know you're a smart operative, and at one point I was a smart operative.

[01:08:00] But if you were in a race where the trajectory of the race was that you were on the side,

[01:08:06] you were working against the incumbent,

[01:08:08] and that most people thought in your state or in the country was you were going in the wrong direction.

[01:08:13] Why would you make the race?

[01:08:16] Why would you make the election about

[01:08:20] the gender and race of someone?

[01:08:23] Why would you not discuss about policy?

[01:08:25] Can I ask you that question?

[01:08:27] Because I think what's interesting is that

[01:08:29] in a lot of the commentary last night about Trump's comments,

[01:08:34] people, Republicans were saying, look, he shouldn't be talking about this type of stuff.

[01:08:38] He should be talking about policy related matters.

[01:08:41] My question to you is, why does it always get to this with some Republican candidates?

[01:08:46] Why do Republicans want to make it about race and gender and the role of women in particular?

[01:08:53] And they don't want to get into policy.

[01:08:55] I think that in this situation, like President Trump physically can't help himself.

[01:09:01] I think that if we took from the RNC convention through the end of the year,

[01:09:09] and he kept his head down,

[01:09:10] and he focused on the failures of the Biden-Harris administration,

[01:09:15] and that they're the reason that gas prices are up 58%,

[01:09:19] and that grocery prices are up 25%,

[01:09:21] and rent is up,

[01:09:22] and everything in our life is more expensive, yet not getting better.

[01:09:27] If they sat there and focused about on the issues at the border,

[01:09:31] and how Kamala was supposed to be the immigration czar,

[01:09:33] and she is largely responsible for what is going on in the continued legislation

[01:09:39] that will make that problem better than just sit-decking and band-aid.

[01:09:44] If they sat and focused on those issues,

[01:09:46] I do truly think that the Republicans would win in November.

[01:09:51] I think that it's these things that is completely derailing,

[01:09:55] and it's taking a huge chunk of voters,

[01:09:57] maybe not a huge chunk of voters,

[01:09:59] but enough voters that are either going to stay home,

[01:10:04] vote for RFK,

[01:10:06] vote for Biden,

[01:10:07] I'm sorry,

[01:10:07] vote for Harris,

[01:10:10] because I really think if we look at the issues,

[01:10:12] and that's where I may struggle.

[01:10:13] It's the head versus the heart here.

[01:10:15] It is,

[01:10:16] I think if we look at the issues,

[01:10:17] and hammered Harris and the Democrats on all of the failures of the COVID,

[01:10:24] and the shutdown in the economy,

[01:10:25] and everything that's going on,

[01:10:26] and we're less safe,

[01:10:28] our education system is masked up,

[01:10:30] we have all of these failures,

[01:10:31] that we can point,

[01:10:33] and we can hand over to them,

[01:10:34] if we simply remind folks of the San Francisco liberal elite that Kamala Harris is,

[01:10:40] I think they would be successful.

[01:10:42] I don't think that Trump can help himself.

[01:10:45] I don't think he has,

[01:10:46] I don't think he wants to help himself.

[01:10:48] I don't think he wants to,

[01:10:49] that's just not who he is.

[01:10:51] And I think that on campaigns that I've been on,

[01:10:53] that's a question you typically ask up front,

[01:10:56] and one that I like to have a conversation with candidates about,

[01:10:58] is message discipline,

[01:10:59] because you see it make and break campaigns all the time from rogue comments.

[01:11:05] I've been on campaigns where I would say a couple of rogue comments have derailed their election.

[01:11:10] And in this situation,

[01:11:12] I don't think there's enough message discipline in the world that could keep Trump from saying how he truly feels.

[01:11:20] And again,

[01:11:21] to not give him credit,

[01:11:22] but to understand a little bit,

[01:11:23] it's because there is a base that is accepting of it,

[01:11:26] right?

[01:11:27] He's not saying these things in a vacuum.

[01:11:29] He's not throwing it up against the wall and hoping it's,

[01:11:31] it's because he knows that there is a base of folks that believe these things.

[01:11:35] There is a base of folks who don't believe in that,

[01:11:39] that people can identify with who they are and they want to tamp down and keep everything in a nice little box.

[01:11:45] And there's two genders and there's X races and there's all of these different things that they think they can define up folks so easily.

[01:11:51] And that there's just a base,

[01:11:52] there's an environment that allows it and accepts it and welcomes it and gives a big hug around these comments and cheers them on.

[01:11:58] And so he feels vindicated and he feels okay with it regardless of what the press is saying,

[01:12:03] because it's the press and they hate me.

[01:12:05] And there you're just going to go against me regardless.

[01:12:07] That's a great answer.

[01:12:08] You know why I think he can't do it?

[01:12:11] Because he's a sexist,

[01:12:12] egotistical,

[01:12:13] lying,

[01:12:13] hypocritical bigot.

[01:12:15] That's why.

[01:12:15] And I think to him,

[01:12:16] let me say this to you.

[01:12:17] I'd like to just close out with just a couple of rapid fire questions quick.

[01:12:21] I'm very curious if there's going to be a debate because I think that Trump does not know how to run.

[01:12:28] And message against Kamala Harris.

[01:12:30] And so I'd be curious if they debate,

[01:12:32] I'd like to get your take as to whether there's going to be a debate.

[01:12:36] I don't think there needs to be a debate.

[01:12:38] I think there's going to be a big push to be a debate.

[01:12:40] I don't know that any,

[01:12:42] I wouldn't blame either side from saying they don't want to debate.

[01:12:46] I very firmly believe,

[01:12:48] like I said earlier,

[01:12:49] that I think the Trump campaign and themselves are struggling to figure out what that messaging footing looks like for them.

[01:12:55] I don't think that they found the winner.

[01:12:57] I believe they're probably doing a whole hell of a lot of message testing to try to figure that out.

[01:13:02] I think that the last debate showed us that we should have debates,

[01:13:06] but obviously it burns both candidates, right?

[01:13:08] As much as we argue for Biden getting out,

[01:13:11] probably wasn't the best thing for the Trump campaign.

[01:13:13] Do we want to give Kamala Harris the opportunity to do a world salad?

[01:13:17] Or do we want to give her the opportunity to articulate how she is going to be the next leader of the free world?

[01:13:23] I don't know what the Trump debate or Trump side is viewing that.

[01:13:26] I would lean towards President Trump probably pushing more for a debate than the Harris team.

[01:13:31] So I don't know.

[01:13:32] What do you think?

[01:13:32] Is there going to be another one?

[01:13:33] I think there will be another debate.

[01:13:36] I do think there'll be a debate,

[01:13:37] but I think it's going to be very challenging.

[01:13:39] I would also ask you,

[01:13:40] I think there will be a debate.

[01:13:41] So you think there'll be a debate.

[01:13:43] I think there'll be a debate.

[01:13:44] One other quick rapid fire question.

[01:13:47] Do you think that if they could do it all over again,

[01:13:49] they'd still pick J.D. Vance?

[01:13:51] I'm starting to see that.

[01:13:53] I don't think so.

[01:13:54] I think if they could go back,

[01:13:55] I don't think that he's going to drop him.

[01:13:57] I don't think he's going to do anything of that sort.

[01:13:59] I think this is really showing what green candidates

[01:14:04] and not properly vetted individuals who have been in this sort of environment.

[01:14:09] He's brand spanking new, right?

[01:14:11] He's been in the Senate for two years, not even two full years.

[01:14:15] Or man, what?

[01:14:19] But anyway, he's so untested.

[01:14:21] He's so unknown.

[01:14:23] And it has been far more trouble than it is for.

[01:14:26] I think that he could have instilled ways of having an heir to the mega fortune

[01:14:31] in some other way.

[01:14:32] Okay.

[01:14:33] Yes, I think that they, in retrospect,

[01:14:36] they would have picked somebody else.

[01:14:37] And I think Nikki Haley would have been a better option.

[01:14:41] I think that Nikki Haley would have been a better option, I think, for Trump.

[01:14:44] I still would not have.

[01:14:45] If Nikki Haley would have been picked to be Trump's running mate,

[01:14:48] I still wouldn't have voted for Trump,

[01:14:49] even though I voted for Nikki Haley in the presidential primary here in Minnesota.

[01:14:53] I still wouldn't have voted for Trump

[01:14:54] because I agree with him that you vote on the front of the ticket.

[01:14:58] Becky, I so greatly appreciate you allowing us to have this discussion today.

[01:15:04] It was strong, and it was going to be one of our spicier episodes, I think.

[01:15:08] And I really appreciate the discussion.

[01:15:10] You being so candid, you pushing back,

[01:15:12] and also just creating this space because I think

[01:15:15] this is going to be a great episode for our listeners.

[01:15:19] And I really appreciate doing this with you.

[01:15:22] Absolutely.

[01:15:22] Thank you as well.

[01:15:24] I thank God the legislative session is not in right now

[01:15:27] because there's too much going on the national stage.

[01:15:30] But I'm sure we'll have some more hot topics Minnesota-related in the future.

[01:15:34] And who knows, we might be coming back with another bonus episode in days, weeks,

[01:15:39] and announcing Walls as VP.

[01:15:40] So stay tuned.

[01:15:42] Oh, yes.

[01:15:43] I would say, I think it's going to be the next couple days.

[01:15:46] Yeah, me too.

[01:15:47] Last question then.

[01:15:48] Who's it going to be, you think?

[01:15:51] I still think Kelly.

[01:15:52] I'm a little bit closer to Walls being the top.

[01:15:54] I think it's a Kelly Walls.

[01:15:55] I don't think it's Shapiro.

[01:15:58] I think it's, I'm going to go with Walls.

[01:16:04] I'm going to go with Walls Shapiro.

[01:16:07] I think Kelly's fallen off a bit, but we'll see.

[01:16:09] All right.

[01:16:10] Thank you for doing this, Becky.

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