A Break Down on the GOP and DFL Conventions

[00:00:11] Welcome to The Break Down with Brodkorb and Becky, a weekly podcast that breaks down politics, policy, and current affairs. I'm Becky Scherer. And I'm Michael Brodkorb. This week is one of my favorite weeks. It's state convention time. We are joined today by one of our resident DFLers, Will Davis, who is a Senior Director of Research at AHRQ Initiatives. With Will, we're going to break down our predictions for both the M&GOP Convention and the Minnesota DFL Convention, both of which are being held this weekend. We will get into the endorsements for governor and U.S. Senate in both

[00:00:39] parties, what we think will happen, and how many ballots it might take to get there. And if there will be any anticipated or even surprise fireworks. This weekend we'll be watching virtually, and you can too. And we'll be back next week with a full recap of the outcomes, internal battles, potential chaos. And then starting to transition over to full election coverage as we barrel towards November. Thank you for joining us and enjoy the show.

[00:01:03] Well, this is one of my favorite weeks of an election year because I am the nerd I am. It is state convention weekend and they don't always fall on the same one, but this weekend we get the M&GOP state convention. We get the DFL state convention. Republicans are up in Duluth. Democrats are down in Rochester.

[00:01:19] And we're going to get into all of our predictions, what we think might happen, some potential fireworks coming up. And Will, we're excited to have you for some insight. I know as a former party staffer, all three of us can relate to the wonderful joys of conventions.

[00:01:39] I know it's a little different on the Democrat side of how the endorsement, whether it reigns supreme or not. We'll see how things play out for Republicans this year. But starting with on the Republican side, we've got, first of all, do you guys love this weekend as much as I do? I'm going to jump in. No. Well, I do now that I'm not a party staffer, but as a party staffer, I loathe this weekend for months leading up to it. It's just a lot of work. It's a lot of stress.

[00:02:07] There's so many little, like both conventions could go haywire, like for not for a lack of planning. It's just really stressful and long nights and long days. I will not be at the DFL or the Republican convention. So I'm very much looking forward to this weekend to what degree I can follow from a safe and remote distance on social media. Exactly. Will, are you heading down to Rochester this weekend? I'll be down there Friday. Yes. Okay. All right.

[00:02:37] Becky, will you be at either the GOP or DFL convention this weekend? I am not attending either. I will be watching from afar with bated breath on Twitter. So everybody, please be sure to share your updates because things could get entertaining, I guess we'll say.

[00:02:54] I'm excited for the DFL convention. This is the first one without Ken Martin in 10 years now, I think. So I think it's going to have a different vibe, a different flavor. I think it's going to, you know, there's just going to be a lot of differences and, you know, it's a really tough job. And I'm sure Richard will do a great job, but I think it's going to be different. I'm excited to see it play out. That's Chair Karl Blum. Okay. We use proper titles on this episode. I say, Richard. I say, Richard. That's us to just, it's Chair Karl Blum. I'm demonstrating my insider status, Michael.

[00:03:22] That's right. Exactly. I just would like to note before we begin this discussion that this is my every two year reminder that the way the DFL organizes their convention in terms of the layout and the format is entirely different and much better. The DFL by nature is a coalition's party. And while the Republican convention, the chairs are lined up like there were at a revival and I was the deputy chair, I couldn't change it.

[00:03:47] But the Democrats have tables all lined up. There's a coalition. There's some vote whipping that goes on between ballots. And from a spectator standpoint, I see a lot of benefits in how the DFL convention is structured, meaning how it's run that day. Don't at me, at Becky. We also don't charge our delegates hundreds and hundreds of dollars to pay our debt. Which is ridiculous. Nor do you charge candidates. Do you charge candidates the fees that the M&GOP is charging? I don't know, actually.

[00:04:17] Five and $10,000? I don't know. I can't answer that one for sure. This is one of some things I want to get into is that it all matters who shows up, right? I mean, and cost is a big thing, especially on the Republican side. I will say Republicans don't have the luxury of subsidizing some of those costs just because of the war chests that exist that Democrats do. So I understand. I think there's also a problem if they would be spending a lot of money on these weekends. But a fight for another day.

[00:04:45] All depends on who shows up. We're going to have a beautiful weekend. This is, I'm shifting to the Republican side first. It is up north. It is expensive. Both of them following on a, starting on a Friday, people have to take a time off work. And Will just mentioned, I think we will see some people at both conventions attending just for one day. That they might go up Friday and, or might just go up Saturday.

[00:05:07] And so on the Republican side, the U.S. Senate endorsement is on Friday and the governor's endorsement is on Saturday with some of the constitutional offices in between there. So I'm going to start backwards, though, and start with the governor endorsement. So we all know the candidates, but just a quick refresh. The main ones in the fight are Speaker Lisa Damuth, Kendall Qualls, Mike Lindell, Patrick Knight. I'm going to change up how I said because we're going to have our predictions more at the end.

[00:05:34] But just starting off, Will, from an insider slash outsider, because you're not inside the GOP, but you understand the game of it all. You looking at the slate of candidates right now, what you've been seeing on Twitter from some of the activists we chatted last week on last week about some of the issues that Damuth might have with the activist community based on the final deals at the legislature and all of that. Who do you think right now, who do you think will get endorsed if there or do you think an endorsement will not happen?

[00:06:04] I think it's either going to be a no endorsement, but I think more likely if I was going to place money on a betting website right now, I would put it on Kendall Qualls, if I'm being honest with you. If you remember back four years ago, he almost won that convention. He was locked up very tight with I guess it was Scott Jensen and Mayor Mike from Lexington, Minnesota, who kind of was the deal maker in that race. But Kendall Qualls was very, very close to winning that convention.

[00:06:32] I think he probably presents the best. I think he probably will give the best speech out of all of them. I mean, Lindell will give the best speech, but whether or not it's enticing is another question. And I just I think Qualls is just really hits a lot of notes for the Republican base that will be at that convention. Michael, what do you think? Are we going to actually get endorsement? Are folks going to try to block it? Who will it be if there is an endorsement? Well, a couple of things.

[00:07:00] It's according to the party bylaws rules, the party bylaws, the constitution, particularly the proposed rules for the convention. It is. Yes. Well, I chaired the rules convention before rules committee before. And so it's tough for conventions to not endorse. Conventions like to endorse. The party rules have been changed. I was at the last convention when there wasn't an endorsed candidate and the rules have been adjusted since that in 96. And so, boy, 30 years ago. You're spending a lot of money to get those endorsements, too, right? Yeah. I mean, 30 years ago. That's the point of it.

[00:07:29] And so I think conventions endorse. They like to endorse. I think the delegates are hardwired to want to endorse and put their imprimatur on a candidate. But it is expensive. It's a process. I think it's a race between Damath and Qualls. I don't know who has the edge. What I will say to you is that there about Lindell is this.

[00:07:51] Mike Lindell, there are substantive questions being asked right now by party folks about whether he meets the requirements, the legal requirements to run for governor. And I would be watching Twitter over the next 24 to 48 hours to see about where that breaks out. In Minnesota, you have a requirement to be a legal resident of the state one year before the election prior to running for governor.

[00:08:15] And there are questions right now today that are continuing to develop inside those who are involved in this process amongst delegates and others, too, as to whether Mike Lindell meets the residency required. Meaning, was he a legal resident of the state of Minnesota by, what, November 2nd or 3rd last year, which is the date of the election? And so those questions remain. I can see Qualls getting endorsed. I can see Damath getting endorsed. I think a no endorsement is tough.

[00:08:42] I get a little challenged by how, even if Lindell is name is formally nominated and Patrick Knight, how they see it. But that's where my, those are my predictions. I think there, if there is an endorsement, I think there will be, I think it's Qualls or Damath. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Well, close circuit to Mike Lindell. I have a day bed here in my office. If you need to reestablish residency to get, to be legal. If he was moving in last November, it would have been there, but it's a one year residency requirement. Okay.

[00:09:12] That's, that'd be too much of Mike. But what, I have a question. What is, do you foresee, either of you would know more about this than me, a Trump endorsement coming in last minute and changing the dynamic? What if he came in and endorsed Mike Lindell? Well, would that. Let's not let, let's, first of all, let's not let Becky off the hook that easy. Let's have her make her predictions. Oh, of course. And then let's do that. Yes. Cause we gotta, she stinks away some time from doing that. I, I mean, obviously I agree.

[00:09:40] I think that it could either be Damath or Qualls. I think that the, what I've seen a little bit and, you know, having some friends in the Damath camp, I hear a little bit more about that. It does appear there's momentum. Of course, there is the end of session, elect or deal part of it and how that actually plays. Again, it matters who shows up. Right. I think that really obviously is, is going to be a true testament to which side has their, their people there on the second day.

[00:10:07] Again, because some people will show up for one day and not the other and vice versa. So I, I think, you know, Qualls has been running for effectively for four years for this. So I, I think it would make sense that he has this locked up being so close before. I also know that, you know, there is a little bit of turnover within these delegate bases and midterm elections. And so, you know, unclear of, of how much consistency there is from four years ago. If we have the same delegate base, if those supporters are still there.

[00:10:35] If they want to choose him again after seeing him lose last time around and, and just coming back. So I'm going to, I'm going to go with Damath on this. I have optimism. I want to have optimism that, that, you know, I think she is the most electable. And I, I think that that would be the best chance here. Lindell, I think is a crapshoot because I think one, is he going to choose? Well, actually back to Qualls real quick. We have the running mate issue that I think is, is a question with Qualls.

[00:11:05] And how hard candidates are going to start infighting at the convention. Sometimes they go balls to the walls. Sometimes they back off. I think that's something that we've seen the press pick up on a lot of, of some questions surrounding his running mate and potential fraud allegations. Which we know is something that the Republicans really are hoping to make a main messaging point this time around. And so I think that's a huge question.

[00:11:30] And I think that will come down to how hard Damath or Lindell or Knight or outside groups have mailer lit pieces on the floor and have folks really pushing that narrative at the convention. Wild failure of vetting on their, on, on Kendall Qualls' part. I don't, I kind of wonder how that happens sometimes when all this stuff is readily available, but. Yeah. The internet is on the computer. And so you should be able to find this stuff. I just want to. It's a series of tubes. Yeah.

[00:11:57] I just want to qualify remarks that anyone that I'm labeling as the potential winner of the Republican convention is not someone. I mean, I think it could be Damath. I think it could be Qualls. I, the reason I say six and one half dozen of the other is because I think the governor's race is effectively over with. And so whoever gets endorsed is lining up to run against a well-funded, highly organized candidate in very likely Senator Amy Klobuchar. Not only save your will. Not only save your will. Much to your chagrin.

[00:12:30] I want to come back to your Trump question, but before, since we're on running mates question, does anybody. What do we think about Lindell? Are we going to get a running mate out of him before the election or before the endorsement on Saturday? So let's just take a step back for a second. 30,000 feet. In the state of Minnesota, you run with, when you run for governor, if you're one of the major party candidates, you have a running mate. So, but you don't, you vote. So you vote as a ticket.

[00:12:55] You vote in the primary and in the general, you'll vote for, you know, Mike Lindell with someone and Lisa Damath with Ryan Wilson and whoever Klobuchar. So, you're going to get a running mate. You vote for picks and stuff like that. So conventions, traditionally conventions are where the candidates do announce their running mate and have it. The filing period opens soon. And so Lindell does have a responsibility when he files to have a running mate selected.

[00:13:22] There has been a push by some activists inside the party to have the candidates who do not have running mates to announce them at some point at the convention. So, one possibility that has been raised, and I hope you're both sitting down, which is that the U.S. Senate endorsement is on Friday and the governor's endorsement is on Saturday. Assuming that the 2024 Republican endorsed candidate for U.S. Senate, Royce White, does not win.

[00:13:50] One of the rumors floating around is that Royce White does decide to run with Lindell in the general election as his running mate. Interestingly, I'll play the nerd this episode. Royce White has said that he would abide by the endorsement for the U.S. Senate. If he doesn't get endorsed on Friday, which I think we all can agree, or at least Becky and I can agree, we really hope doesn't happen. I mean, Will, that's like Christmas morning for you.

[00:14:17] There is a possibility that he then is open and then becomes Mike Lindell's running mate. They have campaigned together. They have done joint events together. And so, I don't know. I think there are, I will report this. I don't know the status of Mike Lindell's nomination through the process. I'm not talking to people that close to it. From delegates that I trust and I speak with, there are some substantive questions.

[00:14:40] If Lindell gets to a position where his name can be placed in nomination and he's gone through that process and he's encouraged to get a running mate, I could see if he selects Royce White, that adds a very interesting dynamic into the vote on Saturday. I was going to make a similar prediction, but mine was going to be the loser of the Secretary of State endorsement. Because Wendy Phillips seems like a very Mike Lindell-ish type person.

[00:15:10] A lot of election fraud conversation, a lot of voting machines, haywire, you know, all those kind of things. They would seem, she's got those eyes a little bit, you know, like it seemed like a natural partnership. And so, that's sort of where I was thinking. Other than that, I don't know who Mike Lindell's allies in Minnesota are. Becky is one of his allies. Obviously. She won? Okay. Yeah, she's one of his allies. I've heard both of those things. I've heard Wendy, but more from more folks, I have heard Royce White.

[00:15:37] And so that it will likely either be an announcement Saturday day of, likely not before. But will be interesting how that all plays out, who he selects, if he selects at the convention or before, and if it will matter to delegates or not. So, let's assume on the Senate race, just for Royce, just for this discussion on Lindell for a second. Royce White is not endorsed. We'll discuss the Senate endorsement in a second. But Royce White's not endorsed.

[00:16:04] What does, I mean, if Mike Lindell gets through the process, gets to speak, the committee, whatever the nominating committee says, with reservations, you get to go through. And he's in front of the body with Royce White. Does that change your calculus on who gets endorsed? I would personally say possibly because I have been at conventions on the Republican side from my experience. It is very fluid at the convention.

[00:16:34] You have your strong voters who aren't going to change. But I have seen speeches. I have seen endorsements from elected leaders from other states or congressional delegation or others. I have seen lit pieces change the winner. I have watched it happen. It is not inconceivable that those two getting up on stage and being the dynamic, fiery, you know, the man's out to get us.

[00:17:01] We got to push back about, you know, on the media and the liberal machine. They stole this election. We're the ones who can win. It would, I 100% could see that being received. Again, I want to have my optimistic rose-colored glasses on that sanity and unity will prevail. And we'll have a little bit more of a level head going into this election with what we're up against on the left.

[00:17:28] But I absolutely would not put it past them. You know who the man is in your little speech there? The man is Will. That's who the man is that's out to get him. Will's the man in that. He's the guy that's trying to get those two. You know, I totally agree with Becky. And it's a story of mine. Never a strong point. One, my, from my days tracking.

[00:17:51] In 2016, I was at the CD2 GOP convention and it was Jason Lewis versus, and I can't remember this guy's name, but he was like very libertarian. And after first ballot, he had a considerable. Very good. Good pull. I know my, my oppo guys at the DFL are screaming at me right now too for forgetting that. But I remember Gerson had a huge lead after the first ballot, but David Gerson was very introverted. He kind of walked behind stage between balloting. Jason Lewis was out slapping back, shaking hands. And very quickly that vote flipped.

[00:18:19] That was a quick lesson for me of how these conventions can go. And like Becky said, anything can flip it. Anything could happen. And so I think in a race like that, that's going to be very tight. I mean, Mike Lindell and Royce White, to me, it'd be a nightmare. But to some folks at that convention, probably too many would be, I mean, me and nightmare if I was supporting them, obviously not. It would be a dream. It would be. No, it would be awesome. Can you imagine? But, but, but as a, you know, if I was a Republican, that would be, I'd be a little horrified to see that.

[00:18:48] And, but I could see, I could see that happening and making a flip. I mean, they certainly strike imposing figures, I guess. I don't know what else to say about them, but. And I think I want to tie this a little bit to your Trump question, because I think, you know, we saw Lindell release an internal poll over the weekend, which has him narrowly leading the GOP field 21. Over Speaker Damath at 19%.

[00:19:10] However, when respondents were asked how they would vote if President Donald Trump endorsed Lindell, his lead increased to 36%, while Damath dropped to 14%. So I, you know, I have to, have to imagine that that call has been made quite a few times. Those conversations have, have been had. So this is my question back to you guys. One, do you think Trump is going to endorse in the Minnesota governor's race? And if so, is he potentially, would he pull one out this weekend?

[00:19:40] I've been asked by some folks over the last couple of weeks about a possible Lindell endorsement of Trump or Trump's endorsement in general. Here's my take. I don't think Trump likes Minnesota. And I think he views himself as the savior of the state, as he does with the country. If he's won three times, Michael. Correct. And so I don't, I think that if he, so I don't think he has much of any affinity towards any of the other candidates.

[00:20:03] So if he's going to endorse, he's going to endorse his buddy and he's going to do it not by some calculus that he thinks Mike Condell can win. But I think Mike Lindell would be the chaos agent that he wants and he endorses him for that purpose. And so I don't think he, if he endorses, I don't think he endorses him because he thinks he can win. He might as well just have fun and have a buddy who's the endorsed candidate. And so I'd watch out for it. I'd absolutely, the poll shows to the degree which you trust the poll, but the poll does show.

[00:20:33] And I think we would all agree that if Donald Trump were to endorse a candidate, there would be a net benefit of that amongst Republican voters at a state convention. Yeah. I guess the question is how does he balance picking a loser versus causing chaos? And, you know, that's a, that's another six in one hand, half dozen in the other. I feel like he can go either way on it. I hope he does though. I think it would be delicious. Becky, do you think? Becky, I'm going to tell you right now, you're not going to throw hard questions out to us.

[00:21:02] Well, and then you can just roll on by and not have to answer them. This is part of my question or response though is we've watched Trump endorsees. The people Trump endorses be wildly successful in primaries across the country over even incumbent Republicans. Conversation for another day, it hurts my ancestors. But so I could see him coming out and endorsing his buddy.

[00:21:27] I also am wondering, you know, there's obviously some sort of typically in my experience to get a Trump endorsement. There's the candidates, you know, get a meeting in front of them, do a big presentation about where they stand, about delegates and fundraising and all of this kind of stuff. I don't know if this is what happened in this case because it is kind of his buddy. But one, do we think that Damath and Team Damath sought that out? Do we think that's something that she— Oh, of course I do. You do? Yes.

[00:21:54] They were all asked on stage whether they would seek Trump's endorsement. They all said they would. At various times throughout this process, they've been asked at debates whether they would seek, encourage, try to get Trump's endorsement. I don't think there's any candidate right now running for governor on the Republican side, particularly those going to the state convention, who wouldn't accept and who wouldn't openly accept a Trump endorsement. And I think there's been some form of efforts made in outreach in some way.

[00:22:23] Maybe, I don't know what Patrick Knight's opportunity to do outreach, but I'm sure there's been some outreach. And I guess I would then hedge that with, I could absolutely see Lindell being the endorsed candidate because that's who Trump wants out fighting on the front lines and getting that press coverage for him. But he also wants the winner, you know, who's going to come out successful at the primary.

[00:22:44] So I could see it then being either a quals or Damath of somebody who comes out of the endorsement with the—or out of the convention with the endorsement, moves on to a primary, wins the primary. David Gardner It's got to be such a double-edged sword for these candidates. And, you know, I guess asking you two who have both been operatives on the Republican side, if you were advising a candidate, I mean, obviously it'll help you get through the convention. But I can't imagine that's an endorsement you would want in the general election if you want to win.

[00:23:14] But maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe that's not the point of their campaigns anymore, of this cycle. But it can't be that big of a deal on the general. It can't be helpful to have that Trump endorsement. But maybe I'm wrong. David Gardner I don't see any benefit for Republican candidates getting the Trump endorsement. I wrote a sub stack about this. Ten questions I would ask the candidates if they—why they were seeking Trump's endorsement. Gas price is over $4 a gallon. Trump is less popular in this state than I was 10 years ago.

[00:23:43] I don't see any net benefit. It helps in Texas. It may be helping Florida and Alabama and Mississippi. But contrary to the president's position, he's never won the state. And I'm seeking the endorsement. And I've never understood this. I don't understand. But they want to just get it because it helps with fundraising. I don't see any net benefit. Becky, do you? No. I'm sorry. I don't know if we the—I don't know if the court reporter caught that answer.

[00:24:13] Can you repeat it again? I do not. Okay. Thank you. That seems like such an easy, obvious answer. But campaigns don't operate that way at all. I think they get so short-sighted because to get to the general, you have to get through the convention in the primary. And so they won it for that, which I think is always the double-edged sword of these conventions is what will—and I think this falls on maybe Speaker Damath in particular is how does she, you know, is she going to be forced to make statements?

[00:24:43] You know, like, so again, one of my questions is how many ballots are we going to go? So I'll get to that in a second. But usually after, you know, the second or third ballot, they go back up for another couple minutes. And if it goes to fifth or seventh, they, you know, they get additional speaking time. And usually, based on their floor whips, that's where you find out what kind of speech you need to make and what kind of crew you need to pull in. And we've seen this in the past where candidates have said something at the convention that then comes and bites them back.

[00:25:09] So I think that's going to be something to watch and how those—that goes. I do want to keep us moving, though, because obviously we can chat forever on just this race. I'm going to—I'm keeping track here so we can come back and address it next week. But how many ballots do we anticipate the governor's race is going to go on the GOP side? What was 24 or 22? I'm going to go eight. Okay. Michael? So— Yes, fingers. Let's just go through this quickly.

[00:25:36] A drop-off rule shall apply to any race that has three or more nominees. Any candidate receiving—this is the proposed rules. Any nominee or candidate failing to receive at least 10% on the first ballot and 20% on any subsequent ballots is removed. On the fourth and subsequent ballots, the lowest nominee will be removed.

[00:26:00] So the convention rules are written in a way in which there is an endorsement. And in fact, a vote for no endorsement is only in order after the 10th ballot. And so I think—I think the math in my head means that that's five or six ballots. All right.

[00:26:23] Because in order to have there be a no endorsement, you would have to make a motion from the floor to suspend the rules to allow for the body then to take a vote. So there would need to be a two-thirds vote to suspend the rules and then an up-and-down vote to then allow there to be no endorsement prior to the 10th ballot. So you're saying four or five? I would say within four to six, there's an endorsed candidate. All right. I'm going to go— Nerd. I'm going to go six. Listen to this, Will.

[00:26:51] First of all, she asks us these hard questions, grinds us to answer. And then get it in there. And then she goes last, looks like the genius. So she's A, not answering, and then B, using R's to make informed predictions, informed analysis. This has got to stop. The question's a smart one on the show. Let me tell you also, I mean, I have been involved in some of those legendary battles. Emmer 2010. I was part of the Team Romney in 2012 when Ron Paul team had—delegates had really taken over.

[00:27:21] I was part of McFadden 2014, which went 10 ballots then. And that was one that we really saw the shift. And I have more questions or going to relay that more when we get into the Senate candidacy endorsement conversation. But I've seen some epic ones. It is. And I've seen that movement. So I think we're going to see a lot. I think it will be interesting if any endorsements from Trump or from anybody else notable comes out at the convention. And then moving on to my last question here.

[00:27:49] Do we think—so Dameth and Qualls have both pledged to abide by the endorsement. Do we think either of them break that if they do not get it? No, they can't. I mean, they can break it, but it would be stupid. I think they were both wrong. I think they were both wrong to abide by the endorsement in that particular instance. Because the reason why is—first of all, I think the endorsement is fundamentally broken.

[00:28:14] And so the challenge that I have with the endorsement in some situations is it becomes— if you don't do the other work, it becomes just this little quick thing, and you lose focus to the general. With Mike Lindell looming out there and all the chaos and something that could potentially arise, I think both Dameth and Qualls, and to the Green Knight that he's abiding, I think all of the candidates made a stake by abiding because the convention's not over with this weekend.

[00:28:44] Right. I could also foresee, you know, someone like Mike Lindell raising flags about the process and being like, because the process was flawed and rigged, I can't in good conscience abide by the endorsement like I promised. You know, there's always that BS that can be pulled, and I could see that happening for sure. We had a candidate that did that recently. I think an AG candidate, if my memory is correct. Yes, that is correct. A Mike Lindell-affiliated AG candidate, in fact.

[00:29:14] That did happen. Correct. And there also is a process, which I think is in Becky, it's in your notes. The convention is using paper ballots—or using clickers. So this is one—yes, let's chat about this real quick before we get to the Senate. This is one of the fireworks that I would anticipate to see on the Republican side. We've seen it every year since clickers have started being used.

[00:29:35] There is a large contingency of folks who, in 2026, do not trust technology, do not trust companies that are outside third-party vendors being used, that do this sort of thing at corporate retreats, all of these things. I can say this as my—I had to run, you know, some 100—help run 100 some BPU conventions done virtually in 2020 due to COVID.

[00:30:00] And let me tell you, those black helicopters are out big time, any time that there is anything done where there's not a physical, tangible thing for folks to watch being set in different piles. You could—I mean, like, literally, in my experience, we have people behind the screens watching them come in in real time, watch nothing change. And so it's going to be a huge issue. Paper ballots take incredible lot more time than clickers do.

[00:30:27] So I'm hopeful that they just let clickers happen. It's 2026. I mean, come on, people. This is not some giant rigged thing. And if so, it would come out in different ways because, you know, there's always some dramas of, like, candidates, perhaps. Rumor has it one of these gubernatorial candidates did not receive the proper amount of signatures, had to go back and get those. You know, there's always some background drama. So these candidates are our candidates. Let's do clickers.

[00:30:56] Let's vote and get the show on the road so we can start moving towards the primary in November. That's what they want us to think. That's what—that's what— Right? Now, Will, Becky's the man in this segment. Trojan Hall shifted. Keep them down. Becky, you guys are both wearing black, mysterious creatures in the shadow. What about the source code, Becky? What about the source code? I want to see it. You know, we actually offered people to see the source code in 2020 about everything that went on behind the scenes.

[00:31:27] Because it's like, would you—are you going to understand anything? So all the normal people listening, the source code is the program by which the clicker software tabulates the votes. And so by asking to examine the source code, you can determine who's really pulling the strings on these elections. Provide to a bunch of people that don't know how to read source code. Or that in 2020, literally, I had to tell you, every time in our script about opening a web browser. That's like Google Chrome or Firefox. I'm not kidding.

[00:31:55] If you need to refresh it, you use that little almost circle with an arrow on it. Like, it— Yes. These people, you know, we're lucky we get them to electronically register a lot of times. But we know that—but we all agree that this is going to be a subplot at the convention, correct? A hundred percent. Always is. It should be, yeah. Most times. Now, Will, at the DFL, do you guys even click? Or is it just some shadowy figure behind the curtain that just comes out and decrees it? How does it work there? Yeah, Ken used to pull the— I was just going to say it was— It's Ken. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

[00:32:25] No, we use clickers, and it's the same process that Becky laid out. And you have a room with— A room? —designated folks. Ooh, secret backup. They're all smoking cigars and making deals. No, it's— Yeah, shit. You're like resident math nerds usually and data nerds who sit back there and watch stuff come in. And when it hits thresholds, then they can call it. And that's simply all it is. These are like the most basic electronics that you could ever think of. There's nothing complicated about them.

[00:32:54] I mean, yes, they have to— Oh, they're at five. All you need. Now, China's running our elections. I hope you're happy. All right. I'm going to keep us moving here because we got a lot to get to. Moving on to the U.S. Senate endorsement, we've got Tafoya, Schwarzey, Royce White, our main players here. Tafoya has notably said she is not—I believe is the only one of those three who has said that she will not be abiding by the endorsement going towards that primary. I'm hearing this race is getting a little messy, a little dirty.

[00:33:23] There's been more stuff coming out. You know, I think being shopped around from some candidates on the others. I think there are different dynamics about this one. And I think a lot of people feel burned about Royce White last time around and don't want that. But it's also the same people there that elected him last time around. So, I mean, what is it? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I would not completely bet out that that doesn't happen.

[00:33:51] I can't say there's a 0% chance that Royce White doesn't get elected. If you're at a point in your life where you put faith in Royce White and then feel like you got burned, it might be time to, you know— Have a real come to Jesus. Yeah. Look in the mirror a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, so doing our, our prediction here, do we think it's going to be Tafoya or Schwarzey? Do we think it's going to, you know, Tafoya with not abiding, can she pull a Mike Bick-Badich?

[00:34:21] And can she get through 10 ballots and, and pull out some endorsements, pull out some good speeches, do that thing and, and make it, make it to, to receiving that endorsement? Or is the simple not abiding by it going to be the nail in her coffin? Michael? Michael, go ahead. Michael, we'll go for it. Michael, we'll, we'll go for it. Michael, I'm going to give this my stone cold, Brian Corbin, Becky lock of the week. Adam Schwarzey is going to win this convention and I think it's going to be less than three ballots.

[00:34:48] I think everything Michelle Tafoya offers is antithetical to what the modern Republican Party is about other than social media presence. She, she has suggested a pathway to citizenship. We all know about her pro-choice tendencies, though she tries to cover that stuff up. We know she's spoken out against, or she's spoken in favor of gun, firearm restrictions. There's a whole host of things.

[00:35:13] I think she doesn't bear, I mean, if Mike Lindell has residency issues, I certainly think Michelle Tafoya should be questioned on that. I think she's rarely here. I think Michelle Tafoya, like, is she going to any events? Is she talking to anybody? This is like Tim Pawlenty all over again when he lost the endorsement in 2022, or when he lost the primary. I just think she's not doing the work. She's raising a ton of money, which is what her and her expensive consultants are good at.

[00:35:41] But other than that, she's not running any kind of a campaign in my opinion, a Twitter campaign. My comments about this dynamic have not changed. You go look and check the tape. I do not believe that the party will endorse a pro-choice candidate, because they never have. And I stand by everything I've said in every episode. I think there's a, I think Schwarzie gets it. And I stand by my previous analysis about the endorsed candidate, the endorsing process.

[00:36:09] Again, I will repeat that the party has not knowingly endorsed a pro-choice candidate in the longest time. The only reason it happened was because it was a candidate for state auditor and they didn't ask because it, they was determined it wasn't relevant to the, the endorsing process. I just don't think the delegates are, are going to endorse a pro-choice candidate. So I'll go with Schwarzie. This is an argument I've had. Sorry, go ahead, Becky. Oh, and how many ballots do you think it will go, Michael? Uh, three. Okay. Interesting.

[00:36:38] And I think that that is consistent with what I've said. I mean, I've been, that's been on, on this podcast. Those have been my, my talking points is that it's, uh, it comes down, I think to some key issues and abortion is one of them. Yeah. I think, I think that one's really hard to overcome. I think that as much as she tries, as much as she kind of has a little bit of that celebrity sheen on her, like a Lindell does.

[00:37:05] Uh, I, I don't know that the old school nature of some of these delegates can move beyond that pro-choice thing. I also, I, I have seen, I, I have seen some good moves by her team and, and, you know, some here, have heard from folks, folks in the activist space world that she is getting around and, and doing some of that work.

[00:37:29] I just don't know if she has answered the questions as much as she needs to, to make them feel okay with that side of things. So I would say, I, I think Schwarzie, I'm going to put this one though a little bit, I'm going to say, I'm going to say we're going to go five ballots. Well, I feel. Nope. Are you? Oh, I was going to say my feeling on her is she's, she's just been too detached from everyday Minnesotans. And I'm going to sound a little bit like a campaign flyer here, but she's wealthy and she's out of touch.

[00:37:57] And I think she's somehow too moderate for Republicans and too crazy for Democrats. And I think she has no shot of winning anything. I think she's going to raise a ton of money and they're going to blow all that money. And I think she's going to barely be Minnesota. Like she is now after all this. And I think she, she offers nobody anything as a candidate. In my opinion. This is one that I think could get messier with day of lit and, and other stories and gossip

[00:38:27] and drama and whisper campaigns that I've heard some pretty awful things about some of the candidates that I will be interested to see how much mud flies in this race, because I could see it getting dirty. Mm-hmm. It is notable that none of us mentioned any of the positives about Adam Schwarz. And I don't have any. I just, I think his lack of negatives is probably going to be what, what propels him over the top.

[00:38:55] Do we think there will be a Trump endorsement in this race? Or does he just not care enough yet? No. I also have heard that the, there are some rumblings that the auditor race on the GOP side might go multiple ballots. So we extensively think based on current events in our knowledge sphere, that this is a Scott Jensen, Nate George battle. And what's interesting about that is the 2022 nominee for governor, but someone who is not abiding.

[00:39:22] And that'll be a question that I think will be interesting to see what comes up. Dr. Scott Jensen in the interest of fairness and transparency, he's been on our podcast a couple of times, three times. And I think that his, he has taken a very thoughtful approach to what occurred in 2022 and he has shifted a bit on some issues. And I'll be very curious to see what his reception is at the convention. Thank you for letting me finish well. Sorry, sorry. I know you did.

[00:39:51] I think Nate George is, is a stone cold lock on an auditor's race. I think Scott Jensen, he can't run against COVID anymore. Maybe if Hantavirus picks up a couple of days here before, if a vaccine comes out, he'll catch fire again. But other than that, I don't think Scott Jensen, I don't think he has a chance. I think Nate George is going to be a pretty easy. Nate George. I'll go along with that. Becky, are you, what are you hearing from Team Jensen headquarters? You know, not a whole lot. How about Nate George headquarters? You know, not a whole lot. I'm not a delegate.

[00:40:20] I'm not, I don't get any of the wild text messages, but I think it is, you know, kind of along those lines of, of what we will see in all of the races is pragmatic is definitely not a sexy attribute for delegates looking to endorse a candidate. On the M and GOP side, they don't scream. We want a thoughtful, pragmatic leader. And so I think that kind of is across the board. So in that, in that realm, I certainly think it would seem that Scott Jensen would not be successful in getting the endorsement.

[00:40:47] I think the bubble that burst so hard in 2022 for him really just took any wind out that he'll ever have again. I want to shift us to DFL because we got to get through it here. This is again happening in Rochester. One thing I want to start off by getting your take is Governor Walz is not attending due to quote scheduling issues. Is that, I'm going to start with Michael on this and well, I'm going to let you close this out.

[00:41:17] Is that, shouldn't this be his swan song or is there any thought to like of going there and getting applauded, his, you know, done, we love you. You, you know, spent eight years as our governor or is there any potential that this is because candidates don't necessarily want to be affiliated with Walz and fraud and everything that comes along with that? I'll repeat the statements I've made previously. While Governor Walz is not running for reelection, there was no poll that showed that he was losing in any race.

[00:41:44] I think that while if Walz was in the race, I think he could, he would be the front runner to win for a third term. He's not going bully for him. It's going to be a beautiful weekend and he's not running for reelection, not going to a convention. Uh, it's all upside for him. Now I am, I will take note of there's a chorus of Republican strategists and operative who continually love to kick walls and knock him down for not being there.

[00:42:11] And at some point I think Republicans in the state are going to have to realize that Walz is not running for reelection if you don't know the breaking news. And so he's not going. I don't know the reason or the basis, but he's the winner for not having to go down to Rochester, beat a convention during the day. And he, if he gets to be on a lake at home doing anything else other than being in a convention, kudos to him. I 100% agree with that. And I was going to say the same thing myself. If you don't have to go to the state convention, I wouldn't go either.

[00:42:40] And I realized, you know, people probably are rolling their eyes at that a little bit, but we're in may. I don't think it's swan song time. He still has the rest of this year to, to be governor. I think if his, if he does that, it's going to be at the election night party when we're celebrating the trifecta or, or whatever we're celebrating big wins. I think that's the night, frankly, all the same people are probably going to be in the same place. I don't, I don't think, I don't think anyone's afraid to be seen next to him or photograph. And I don't think he's a toxic asset like that.

[00:43:07] Like Michael said, maybe if you want read alpha news religiously, you'd think that, but that's, I don't think he's a toxic asset. Well, I agree. I don't. Yeah. I was just going to put up. Becky does apparently. Well, no, I, I mean, I don't think it's something that I think that if he's on stage, lift in the hand of the DFL endorsed nominee, that's something Republicans would try to use on mailers and tie them to fraud because I think that's going to be a message that we see.

[00:43:32] And so I think it is easier and cleaner for the delegates or for the candidates who are coming out of the DFL convention endorsed to not have to have that side by side with him right there at the convention. And because you mentioned that the alpha news, you know, it released a poll that was this morning that says that only 32% of respondents said that they would want the next governor to be as much like Tim Walz as possible. 63% disagreed.

[00:43:59] And I think it's kind of a silly question, but his unfavorable ratings are definitely not super high. So I think there is. According to a poll by alpha news. I mean, alpha news. I say my dog released a poll earlier today. I mentioned Lindell's in her earlier. I'm just sharing the what I see in here. And it wasn't their poll. It was shared exclusively with alpha news. But I'm just saying, I think it makes it a cleaner thing for the candidates coming out of the convention to not just have that walls association that Republicans are going to try to force on whoever

[00:44:28] the candidates are regardless. Becky, do you know who is at the 2010 state convention for around five minutes? Tim Pawlenty. And there were and that was the day before the not. So I just I understand the point I would just say is and the only reason I know that is because I was going through some old pictures from 2010. Some Facebook memories on goal. I forgot that plenty was even there.

[00:44:51] I understand what I think is going on in some of this where some of this not from you, but I think maybe the basis of the alpha news poll is they were there as an attempt by Republicans to continually just they want a pound of flesh out of walls. And so this is the new way in which to do that while it's clicks the DFL, the likely presumptive DFL nominee for governor is currently not being engaged by any Republican candidates.

[00:45:22] So to that point, we have our governor's endorsement at the DFL convention and that is happening on Friday on the DFL side. Just yesterday or earlier this week, Crystal Ball moved Minnesota governor's race from likely down to safe down, which is a notable move as well. Rough. So, well, from the insider's perspective.

[00:45:43] How much truth is there to the rumblings we're hearing of folks not pleased that Klobuchar is the anointed one and just hand selected and there isn't really a race? Is there some of that? I mean, we again know what we hear and see from the activists on the Republican side. Is there some of that on the Democrat side or is it just kind of a nothing burger and that's a small vocal minority?

[00:46:05] Yeah, I think by nature of just really not having competition and what an important role Minnesota governor is. I think there's a little bit of grumbling. It's you. It's primarily, you know, kind of Minneapolis lefties as you would think. So back east. It's exactly Michael. It's generally that, but it's really quiet. I think everyone has a lot of faith in Amy Klobuchar. Yeah. I think everyone. Senator Klobuchar. Senator Klobuchar. Damn it. I've never been good at this Michael. You know you. I'm just joking.

[00:46:35] Those formal things. But I think everyone has a lot of faith that she's going to do a good job. I think there's excitement quite frankly, just like a fresh new look at all of these different issues. And I think that's going to happen without a doubt. I think is going to be it's going to be a lot of like all these like different or you know governmental orgs are going to have new leadership. And I think it's going to be a fresh different way of looking at things. And I think people are generally excited about that. So yeah, I don't hear much grumbling about it at all.

[00:47:05] So if I understand this correctly, she'll get up to be nominated and then there'll be this back room with the clickers and some people will pull the strings and then she'll get indoors. Am I understanding if you laid out your process fairly? That's what I've understood. I'm not a part of that process. I cannot forever nor deny that, Michael. Okay.

[00:47:22] Also curious about so the DFL agenda says lays out governor, Senate, constitutional officers, but then it says consideration of endorsement for LG and a variety of other things may occur at the discretion of the chair. Do you read that to mean that she will not choose her LG before or is there a possibility that she's going to hold on to that? Or would you anticipate that we'll find out before the convention?

[00:47:49] Just, just making a wild guess. I think we won't see that, but I truly have no idea. We won't see what? I can tell you, we will not see her pick an LG running mate before all this. I, I, I, I've heard nothing about it. Oh, really? I, I'm just, I, I've based that purely complete black box that, that has come out of that.

[00:48:14] I've just, and I think that's like a good sign for her campaign, by the way, that there is almost no real speculation going around whatsoever on potential running mates. I've heard nothing. So I, without having even a sliver of a thought of who it could be realistically, I think, I think it's possible we don't see it. I saw Blois-Solce's publication mentioned, what was it, Tom Peterson? Tom Peterson. He's the Ag Commissioner. Becky, well, here's my question. When Klobuchar announces her running mate and they're in front of the microphone, will

[00:48:44] the running mate know how old they are? Like if they're asked, if they ask to state their age, will they know what age they are? Yeah. Would assume so, yeah. Okay, good. Because we had that this past election cycle where Kendall Kowals' running mate stood in front of the microphone and said his age and he was off by. And then we had to issue a correction. Yes. So we do think that Senator Klobuchar's running mate will know his age. Once you get to a certain age, it's kind of irrelevant. Yeah. All right. Moving on because that one seems like it's kind of open and shut.

[00:49:14] I mean, I guess last question. Are there any like progressives that are raising their hand to be in a battle there? Holy Savior. No. Yeah. Just Oli. I don't even know if he's a progressive. I don't know what Oli is. He's got a big brown van is all I know. And makes him progressive. All right. U.S. Senate endorsement. This is where I am really excited to tune in to the DFL convention. Breaking news. Literally as we're recording this.

[00:49:40] Angie Craig has announced that she is not going to be attending the U.S. Senate endorsement. Thoughts? Will, how will that be received by activists, delegates, the party base, grassroots Democrats across the state? Not just at the convention, but otherwise. Yeah. I think it's, you know, it's certainly notable. It's not something I have seen as someone who's been around the DFL since 2016.

[00:50:04] I think we've already seen a party officer resign who was a supporter, resigned last night. And I think it's going to be a shakeup. I don't think anyone is terribly surprised by to see this. I think polls have reflected what internal numbers have been showing for the last few months that the state convention delegates are lining up very strongly behind Lieutenant Governor Flanagan.

[00:50:28] And I think ultimately it was probably a smart strategic move for Congresswoman Craig to go straight to the primary. Michael, thoughts? I'm surprised at the speed and efficiency, once again, by which the Democrats move. This is an aggressive move. I think as Will adequately described, I am surprised at which Democrats consistently show that they're

[00:50:56] able to move and adjust based on the political environment. I'm continually blown away by this. We are recording this live and the news is breaking as we're recording. This episode will come out. But I venture to say that there will be a number of keyboard warriors on the Republican side, high-fiving and being gleeful about this. When in fact, I think that, and please push back if you think I'm wrong, Craig's decision

[00:51:22] to not go to the convention, I believe only strengthens the opportunity that she comes out in the primary as the victor. But we'll see what happens. But it's a smart move on her part to not invest the time, resources, and not create the messaging opportunities, Becky, that you discussed last episode about what the Republicans do. Smart move. Game on to the primary. Yeah. Oh, sorry, Becky. Go ahead. Oh, no.

[00:51:48] I was just going to say in 2014, I was Mike McFadden working on the endorsement for him. Jointly on the governor's side, I was supporting and working with Scott Honor, who went down to, it was in Rochester that year, went down to Rochester, held a press conference with his running mate, Karin Housley, and said, we're going for the, going to the primary. We're not going for the endorsement. And then left. And that was certainly not well received on the Republican side.

[00:52:15] Now, this one, while I think there are certainly folks who say, let a vote happen, I'm not going to make the ties to gun control at the House, but we can make that tie from Democrats liking to say, let the vote happen. If you're going to lose, let's just get the vote on the record. But from the strong thought of her being successful coming out of the primary, it makes perfect sense. She doesn't have to go and have all those lit pieces dropped about her, having people talk about poorly about her on stage, having all that stuff.

[00:52:42] There are still going to be comments, obviously, made about her in her absence. But I think it certainly minimizes a lot of that strife we were going to see. And man, you guys really took the wind out of my sails. I was like so jazzed to watch this. We see on the Republican side so much infighting and so much mudslinging. And once again, the Democrats keep it behind the closed doors. Well, no, Becky, I think when my reaction to this is to the point that you made, the clip

[00:53:09] that we highlighted from last week's episode, which I think you made a really good point about what happens at the Republican conventions. And to quote you accurately, it comes back to bite us in the ass. And I think that this is, again, my first kind of process point is I get the high fiving and all that's going to go on. But the reality is, is that I think Angie Craig, Congresswoman Craig is just preparing to fight for another day. And that's a smart move to recalibrate and to do that.

[00:53:38] And that's why I think Democrats do a good job of winning these races because they that fluid, they're not locked in. And this is a substantive decision that could pay off. And quite frankly, a messy state convention fight that hurts everybody involved, right? That's going to hurt the govs. And, you know, that's going to taint that. That's going to taint Keith Ellison, Attorney General Ellison. It's going to taint everybody. And I think it's, you know, no one wants a messy primary fight, right? That's tough.

[00:54:06] And, you know, it's going to be a lot of money and infighting. But it's, I think it's a very unselfish move also because it's not going to taint the rest of the endorsements and taint the rest of the weekend. So, you know, I think if the numbers turned out like they had been looking, I think it was not only smart, but I think it was an unselfish move as well. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it Dayton or Walls? One of the two didn't go for the endorsement their second time around.

[00:54:35] They both, Walls was not, Dayton wasn't, name wasn't even placed in nomination. Yeah, that's what I thought. And Walls didn't win it. Yeah. I knew both of them didn't win it, but I thought one of them just was also like not participating. Yeah, the one, the one that I, that I thought about after I said that was in 2018, Attorney General, your neighbor, Michael, Lori Swanson, she lost the endorsement. And then, then she jumped out of the race and jumped into the govs race after.

[00:55:05] So I guess that was kind of a, remember her and Rick Nolan kind of teamed up on a, but she did not give a gov endorsement speech at that convention and went straight to primary. But that's the only one I can really think of it now. It's, that's sort of a unique dynamic there. The other thing I would say is that, and I've said this constantly over the last four years of this podcast, which is Democrats have a miraculous track record of having there being contested endorsing conventions. I would still call this in some way because it's this week, a contested endorsement process

[00:55:34] and then having candidates win in the primary and the Democrats uniting. I think Will makes a really good point about a messy convention. And the one thing that I will say that I've been telling some folks on the Republican side is the worst thing that can happen, and I think it's going to, is going to be that there's going to be a messy convention up in Duluth. And that's going to lead to infighting over the summer.

[00:55:58] I want to close things out with what anticipated fireworks we, we might have party platform fight expected. Is that going to be what we see? I think we see fireworks wise on the Dem side. Yeah, I think if you see anything, there'll be party platform. You know, obviously the sort of progressives versus the more moderate folks. I think there'll be certain items. I don't have any specifically. I'm sure probably is foreign affairs Israel Palestine will come up. I can't say that for sure.

[00:56:27] I don't really know what the, but I think that is sort of the only thing left that could be controversial and, and, and be fireworks at our convention this cycle. So maybe my appearance could be a little controversial. I just, I just chuckled at that not over just because, well, I don't think that there's going to be even much time for a platform fight on the Republican side. When you said that there's only one real topic on the left that might be of contention, certainly not the case on the right.

[00:56:53] Any, any closing thoughts, final thoughts on either convention? You know, next week we're going to kind of officially shift to election season. Uh, we're going to, you know, have all sorts of fun stories to share and we, we ran out of time here, but we'll come back to some convention stories because I got some good ones. Um, but any clothing, closing thoughts here on what we anticipate this weekend, good, bad, or other? I'll be very brief, but because of my, my comment changed through this episode,

[00:57:20] I would watch for who, just to repeat it again, who leaves the convention in fighting and who leaves tidy. There's a difference between leaving a convention and taking the fight to the primary. But what I'd be curious to see is what I think is going to happen is that Democrats are going to be very united leaving the convention, knowing that they have a primary where they're going to duke it out. I think there's a possibility that Republicans leave not united and having to duke it out in the primary. And that's where it gets complicated.

[00:57:50] So I'm going to leave with those are my observations. That's what I'm watching for. For me, my, my opposition research bones, what I'm excited for is what they have to say to win the endorsements. What, how far, how far right do they have to tilt? And how much are they pointing, poisoning the well for their general election candidacy? We're going to be keeping, we're going to be watching that very closely. I think that's always my favorite part of convention weekend is watching that stuff. Because I think it's pretty undeniable that that is going to have to happen on some level

[00:58:20] to get through that gauntlet. That is the GOP convention process. And, you know, folks are going to have to say some stuff. They probably been resisting saying all along. And so we'll be watching very closely for that. I kind of just kind of just aligning with both of you guys on all of that is I think that we're certainly going to see, like I said, some mudslinging on the right in particular. I thought we were going to see it on the left and once again, disappointed.

[00:58:48] I think we're going to see some surprise lit drops with some potentially outrageous or extreme things of Apple research that candidates drop on each other. I think some of the folks on the different teams have some experience in doing that. So it really wouldn't surprise me if we see some of those things, which having gone through that process, I love when I'm on the campaign now being removed and watching from afar.

[00:59:16] I always get concerned about how it's going to come back and bite us in the end. So we'll see. And I think the biggest outstanding question is the Trump of it all and if he is going to play a role and what we may or may not hear from our commander in chief. Can't wait to hear that. Thank you, Will, for joining us this week. Thank you for having me. It's been a while since since I've been on.

[00:59:42] And I know last time Michael was upset that I I overshadowed him. So he was he didn't invite me for a while. So I'm happy to be back. It's always fun. We'll bring you back to to break down things as we head towards November because we need our one of our resident DFLers in the in the works here. All right. Thanks, Will. Thank you. Take care. Well, Becky, that was an action packed episode with Will. I thank you for all your work in organizing it. And it'll be fun watching this can these conventions this weekend online.

[01:00:11] I'll be focused on my lawn and enjoying the weather. And I hope you do the same. OK, absolutely. We want to thank all of our listeners for joining us for this episode of the Breakdown with Brodka and Becky. Before you go, show some love for your favorite podcast. By the universe review on Apple Podcasts or on the platform where you listen. You can also follow us on our website and across all social media platforms at at BB Break Podcast. The Breakdown with Brodka and Becky will be back next week. Thank you so much for joining us. Bye bye. Bye bye.