A break down about legislative races, MN02, and the Vance - Walz debate

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to The Break Down with Brodkorb and Becky, a weekly podcast that breaks down politics, policy, and current affairs. I'm Becky Scherr.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Michael Brodkorb.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a new week and we have new panelists. We are pleased to welcome back two partisans.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Will Davis, former research director with a Minnesota DFL and Anna Matthews,

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Colonel Executive Director with the Minnesota Republican Party.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We are going to start with a quick recap of our first live in person podcast at the MN02 post festival over the weekend.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We will then bring things back to Minnesota for some conversations on what is going on at the legislative races for control of the Minnesota house.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We will break down the status of one of Minnesota's most competitive battleground seats in the country, Minnesota's second congressional district.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And we will end by getting our guests thoughts on tomorrow's third tonight's Vice Presidential debate between Senator JD Vance and Governor Tim Walsh.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for joining us and enjoy the show.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, we had our first in person podcast episode this weekend at the MN post festival your take.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It was sent to us to go in super fast my great appreciation to MN post to John Rillow, former senator Michelle Benson and for you for making it possible.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It went really fast and it was a lot of fun.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of good conversations and gave us some food for thoughts for some future episodes where we can go through some of those questions.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely we talked about the status of the Republican party in Minnesota and where we go from here to hopefully get back to winning some statewide races in the future.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We had a lot of questions from the audience we were not able to get to and some further conversation about the future and further episode will come back and hit on some of that but it was a great event in another shout out to men post for the invite.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Very appreciative of men post for the invite and as I said on Saturday a good real and very proud of you that back for creating the tap of space where people want to have us come and do things there's a lot of fun.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So thanks again.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And especially having an audience that he welcomes conversation too we had a receptive audience I don't think was necessarily filled with all Republicans by any means but willing to sit there and have a conversation about and listen to our conversation about.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The our perspectives on where the party is and where we can go and that was a warm reception we're grateful for everybody who showed up and hopefully have some new listeners on the show here today.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely this is a great episode to follow up with because Anna and will are really throw the heat.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I am excited so we are going to kick things off as everybody hopefully knows there are 134 seats up for grabs in Minnesota the current breakdown of the Minnesota house there is 70 Democrats 64 Republicans.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And the Democrats trifecta the single party rule up at the Capitol kind of hangs in the balance I want to start with you.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Or Democrats feeling about it as we're heading in less than 40 days away from the election.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the DFL's feeling pretty confident right now I think a lot of these races are starting to shape up exactly as we had hoped.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think our field game is I would say dominating right now we are they're so strong we're out knocking doors.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We are struggling to handle all the volunteer signups right now to be quite honest with you.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big deal.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know no big deal but we I think a lot of these races are looking good I think the quality of candidates is a very stark difference we've all seen the articles recently there's very little comparison when it comes to not only expertise on issues.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But just quality of people as well so I think the house is good it feels really good right now actually and I think we're going to hold the trifecta.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Anna this is your first year our first election cycle being executive director over at the party talked to us about what the party's been doing.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're volunteer basis looking and how what you're hearing and seeing on the ground with your candidates.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to copy exactly what we'll said but I feel that the volunteers are coming in droves honestly even I'm at the office today we have people in and out constantly all day every day we've had to higher additional people just a handle it.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The Trump campaign as well they recruited like 1400 volunteers in the first six weeks that they were on the ground which again I don't know the stats on what the DFL is doing but we're really happy with that number.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And then obviously that trickles down right because every door that you know I care every voter that you turn out if they're holding or public in the hope is that they vote all the way down the ticket or all the way up the ticket.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the most encouraging thing that we've seen recently is the polling this trip put out that poll just last week and I'll just the reference the question that they asked about the Minnesota House.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They said who would you prefer to in back the Minnesota House and it was overwhelmingly outside of Penophenon Rams accounting the answer was overwhelmingly Republicans.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And when they looked at independence answer to that question it was even more overwhelmingly Republicans and so I know that the DFL has a machine.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that we are fighting an apple battle to take back the house, but I'm actually feeling really good about it and again not only because of the polling but that was a really great poll to see last week.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the poll we've talked about the different numbers what it looks like at the presidential level and the Senate in different issue areas but it does independent stood lean overwhelmingly towards towards Republicans.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: What is your take on how those polls look and also the fact of the matter that four Democrats to pick up seats they probably do need to lean a little bit outside of the Twin Cities whereas the Republicans probably need to pick up a couple of those suburban seats and what's your thought on all that.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I would love to go back before every cycle and do a late September early October side by side comparison to some of these polls.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Democrats with hold support until its election day until it's time to go to the ballot we've seen this they have expectations for what our candidates are going to do and say and promise.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And these polls never accurately reflect I think they're always like relatively close but I think what the one piece that is always underestimated is.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Dems with holding votes and I know you mentioned Hennepick County and Ramsey County, but even within there I think the support is even stronger as well but I think that same thing goes out to the suburbs at Dems with hold support until it's election day and they see who's on the ballot and it's an easy check for them and I think we always outperform those every cycle.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I predicted at a trifecta last cycle actually when we were polling behind in the Senate races as well, I just had a feeling and I really feel that way again this time.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, when we were discussing the same poll and the Harris walls van Trump fans numbers we thought that it was maybe reflecting a closer spread than what it actually was what's your thoughts when we look at it on the the inverse here with the legislative basis.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Republicans need the race for president to be under 10 and as close to as five as possible.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think it's a that I think it's a ground game the question is all come down to candidate recruitment in some of these races.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the this is an interesting thing and I've been and I'd be curious to get other I like to get Anna and Becky's take just because their Republicans on something.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that walls being picked as a running mate of Harris energizes Republicans in the state plus coupled with Trump.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's not that it's not a redo of the 2022 governor's race because of I think there was some apathy with the Republican nominee, Jensen.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that Republicans are energized and so I think in that sense I think it's it's really giving Republicans I think some energy in the cycle now Democrats are energized too.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So both sides are energized and I think that's an interesting dynamic that we're going to say I think it's going to be a real foot race.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: This election cycle, but my initial thought and I'm going to point out where I think I was wrong my initial thought was when walls was picked that would take Minnesota truly off the map now not just not for the presidential race because.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Democrats are going to win the state of Minnesota, but on the legislative race I thought it could have some real down ballot implications meaning thought it could maybe some smother some Republican enthusiasm.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's possible that I was wrong and so we'll see on election day.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious what others think about walls being on the ticket.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that do for Republicans down ballot not just Democrats because we know they're energized but what does walls being on the ticket do for down ballot Republicans.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Before we get to Anna because I know she's going to have some good insights on this because she's living and breathing it every day.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But my perspective on it is that is I was a little surprise of what the polls have shown since walls was the was the pick I do think.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Minnesons are notorious for liking to flip flop back and forth across that ballot.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a place where I think it could really benefit down ballot because I do think that with walls having such a platform to remind voters in Minnesota and obviously across country, but here in Minnesota what he did and some of those progressive acclades that he stands behind.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And especially what was done when it was the single party rule up at the Capitol.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Republican or Minnesota voters are going to want a little bit of balance when it comes to the legislative races that they're voting for here at the house.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I do if the election is tomorrow, I think Republicans do take back majority of the house.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do also think that here is the walls come on on top here in Minnesota.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that you, you talked to your volunteers. You're getting real time feedback from the doors. Obviously we do know that Democrats like will said are certainly energized by their governor.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They're guy being in such a prominent place in the country.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you hearing from voters at that the doors?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Typically governors don't really have a midterm, right? But we almost have a midterm here with walls and as midterms tend to swing the opposite way.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Good point.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there are a lot of people, I'll just start with Republicans, I guess.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard from a lot of Republicans who frankly did not know everything about walls. Like obviously we all work in politics. We know everything whether we classify it as good better ugly.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I have heard from a lot of people who said, I didn't know this about walls. I didn't know that about him, right or not, et cetera.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the media, the local media has not done a good job of covering him and of covering Flanagan and DFL legislators in general.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's been really interesting to watch the national media blow up some of those things that Republicans classify as the bad and ugly.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we've been hearing from a lot of people who are maybe softer Republicans or even slightly independent who are realizing how bad walls is now that he's getting this coverage.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But then also to people on the very, very far left, like you said, Michael, I do think that they're energized. I'm not going to argue with that.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But then people on the far, like the hardcore staunch Republicans, they are realizing that they have a chance to redo the election in 2020.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, Jackie. There's a chance to redo him. Yes, huh, poor Becky. To you hopefully beat him this time and I'm curious to your perspective on the polling numbers. I know Becky, you mentioned that.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But obviously my Republican perspective is that Kamala is terrible and no one likes her and no one likes walls and that's why the numbers are dropping.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a three point lead for her and Minnesota right now. And I have to attribute some of that to walls. I just, I can't not, right, like at least needs to be explored.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember at this time Scott Jensen had some kind of lead in one of the polls in 22. And I will say this. Oh my goodness he did that's right.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: If 2022 was not a referendum on Tim walls when he was literally on the ballot, then what was it? Maybe people didn't like Scott Jensen.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But if they so hate Tim walls, then why did he win without he would have won both of the times he was elected in Minnesota. He would have won the state without a single vote for him coming out of Minneapolis.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was the same Paul. That's how well he did in the suburbs and greater Minnesota. So he didn't need those votes. And by the way, those votes are amazing blue firewall for us as well.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And the idea that folks in the suburbs are so don't like Tim walls that they'll go vote for Donald Trump. There is literally no precedence for that to have to be possible.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump has lost his guy's butt kicked your twice and he's not never, he did not gain a vote in 2020 over 2016. So I don't think his popularity is going to help much at all.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you're expecting them to go if they don't like Tim walls. It's just I find it just beyond belief.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry. Keep going.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's one other thing on and how this trickles down to the legislative races.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, a couple articles have come out about the Trump campaign and call their operating in these different states. It is my understanding based on the scripts that were published that they're not IDing the Trump campaign is not asking their volunteers to ID for down ballot candidates.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So not only are they not IDing for Royce White, but nobody in the legislature either was a purely Trump J.D. Vance questions across the board.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And how so that has to affect the trickle down in some capacity. Because I know we are out IDing for local Amy Klobuchar of course, but also all of our house candidates and in the case of S.D. 45 our Senate candidate.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So if they're not even reciting at the doors when they're talking to other Republicans, the names of the local legislators or candidates, how is that trickle down going to actually help.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong about that.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I would argue though, if you're going to go to the if a voter is going to go and cast their ballot for Donald Trump, they're going to cast ours down the ballot. I don't think it works the other way up. I don't necessarily believe that a candidate or a voter going to vote for Wayne Johnson in 41 is necessarily going to go up in vote for Trump.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it works. I think it works one way and not the other so my part my thought is if someone's going to go and say yes, I'm voting for Donald Trump, I'm voting ours down the ballot.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: What do I think the other thing that we have to think about too though is just turn out like turn out matters a lot in elections and the other thing too.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I am going to push back on you a little bit because different years can bring totally different things with them.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the craziest things that just blew my mind so I don't so I worked in Kansas first like okay, so not Minnesota whatever but I'm sure that you're all familiar with Chris co-bock who's like a national fire thrower right.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He got more votes than the governor in 2022 and he had gotten fewer votes than her four years ago. That was a total 180.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And so timing really does have a lot to do with political stuff but back to the turnout piece there were a lot of Republicans who did not vote in 2022 and there's nobody to blame for that except for the Republican party and the executive director of the Republican party right.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But Trump does drive turnout and I think that when people are energized when there is somebody at the top of the ticket like Donald Trump when his campaign is making investments in the state to capitalize on that that will help us CD2.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I know this is later on the agenda Becky but if you don't mind me jumping to it now Jason Lewis won with Trump on the ticket in 2016 Tyler Kissner came very close in 2020.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I do believe that the Trump bump is a real thing and I do believe that he does help with turnout and I think that cannot be ignored regardless of what else is going on at the same time.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That's totally true. I would say he helps us with our turnout as well people show up to not let Donald Trump become president in Minnesota. I do a lot of DFL people were fired up about that.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well and I think to Michael's point we're going to be seeing that with walls right because Republicans they dislike walls a lot more than they just like Joe Biden. So it will be interesting.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I did feel after Biden stepped down everybody just got more energized like it's palpable you can feel it so it'll be interesting.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say this on one point looking at the 2022 race and will you and I have to discuss this a bit offline my perspective is that.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Jensen's message again and it for me just close. I say that to someone who is probably supporting Harrison walls this election cycle and so trying to offer my analysis is being fair as I can just maybe offer perspective on 2022.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jensen's message, messaging in 2022,

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: cratered and smothered so much Republican and enthusiasm.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think his messaging was so off,

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: his messaging was so bonkers

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that he never was taken credibly amongst the number of Republicans.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the operpt, I think although we all though I disagree

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with the message and I'm certainly not going to spend time

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to tell Republicans how to message against Harrison Walsh,

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the message has been a little bit more refined

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think you're getting more of a little bit more

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: of a polished message.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it gives Republicans a second chance

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to have some energy, they're not manifesting their vote.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Their manifestation of their vote is not a vote for Scott Chancin.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a vote for Trump.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there's, I'm going to be very curious

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to the numbers.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's unsettled science, but I think

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very curious as to what's going to happen.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say to top of the Minnesota ticket this time around,

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: despite him not being referenced by Minnesota Republicans ever,

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: is Bryce White who certainly does not have any focus campaign

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: message as well.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, that race should be helpful and turn out

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think it's going to tank it if anything.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's fired up to vote?

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He's terrible, he's awful and that's why he's not even acknowledged

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: ever.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He is.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like bolder than Mark.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like bolder than Mark on the show.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't mention him, but you'll mention all the time, Michael.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the party has, we do work with him.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We do mention him.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been on social media.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why the Democrats keep on pushing that.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the Tory-Venut article,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't know where it's coming from, but whatever.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I make no apologies for Tory.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I could tell you that much.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not Tory, so if you don't have to.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But hey, I love Tory, so I'm going to give her a shout out.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have thoughts about that article as well.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're talking about all the Trump campaign offices.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that wasn't accurate statement

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that those were all previous Minnesota GOP offices

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: previous to Trump coming in and taking over.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that not accurate or most of them?

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Not all of them.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them were, but not all of them.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But no, I just think that too, this is also part

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: of what motivates Minnesota voters.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that this is part of the motivating factor

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with walls is that stuff Republicans just feel

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that things are not accurately reported on.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that too, the point with walls,

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: we are now seeing a very different picture of Tim walls than we

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: saw in 2022.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it has to come for something.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And somebody just said politics, it'll never be a settled science, right?

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But media coverage attacks, good stuff,

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: or media, whatever it may be.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that makes a difference in races, honestly.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are public parties a little too online.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like you're seeing a lot of stuff on Twitter,

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly it was certain goofballs and certain alleged

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: townhall.com columnists.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think this is bleeding out into the public.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think outside of Twitter, all this stuff is actually

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: having an any sort of effect.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just my theory.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Twitter's not real-life.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people say that.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I had that feeling too because I don't see that amongst

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: people that are not politically involved.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not seeing any of this wall stuff other than on Twitter

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and a couple other.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think the big question is just why was Kamala up 10 points

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: before choosing walls?

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was five and then it was four and then it was five

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it was three.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's steadily trending down.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can argue with anything all that you want.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think like you said, it settled science and nobody's ever

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be perfectly right on this.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But she is trending down.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And I find that really interesting.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think to be fair, I think there's been the KST polls

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: have been pretty consistent at where it's at.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you flipped to a raspuson

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's a bit of a crumble.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: My particular take is I like to look at trend lines

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in the one poster and the poster that's done

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the most has been survey USA.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's been around five points pretty consistently

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: over the last few months.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What I will ask you is this, allow just to

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I'm going to turn it back over to Becky.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fair to say that since Biden dropped out

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: of the race in Minnesota, the race has gotten more competitive.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that fair to say?

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys can chime in if you want to.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go on.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: 100%.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair to say.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got more competitive, yes.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gotten more competitive in which way.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Since Biden got out of the race in the race for president,

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly Minnesota.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got, would you agree or disagree with?

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I would totally disagree with that.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I've said this a couple times on your show.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Previous to that happening, we were desperate for volunteers.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone to help, we were getting like 15 signups a day.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like statewide, like we were getting like

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: very people are not motivated,

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and people are not fired up.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally almost the day that switch happened.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It has been an overflow of all people are suddenly woke up.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I would say that worse for the public.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say I would say that you're agreeing with me then,

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but from a different perspective, my point would be

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: is that the race, there's more energy in the race.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess what I'm saying.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm referring to.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's more energy,

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also think there's a lot more Democrats in the state.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think if they are fired up to get out there,

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that makes the race less competitive.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I see your logic on the bottom.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I framed it the wrong way, but I see your logic.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come on, Michael.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll work on my defile talking ones.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. Thank you.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to move on.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be really interesting to watch

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the results come in for the legislature

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and see what we're up for.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We already know that there is so much in play when it comes to

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: who is going to be the president?

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Governor of in 2025.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we have to see what the makeup of the legislature

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to be after election as we're heading into January.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll get you guys back on and chat a preview there.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's going to be exciting.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And that will await and see.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I want to chat about another really exciting race

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: when that has a dear place to my heart.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota second congressional district.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So Angie Greg is the incumbent there.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She has been serving.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say her district very well.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: She has been a decently moderate Republican or Democrat.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: She herself describes the district as 30% Democrat,

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: 30% Republican and 40% independent.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely has a far different makeup

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: than any other congressional district in the state.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Currently at the Crystal Ball says lean Democrat,

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: real clear politics says toss up.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to get into what you guys are hearing

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm going to let Anna take the swings first.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: How do we feel about second congressional district?

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We have had Joe Taylor Abon before.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have the privilege of speaking with him.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But I want to hear what you think about how the race is going down there.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll head on some of the drama around the endorsement later.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just have things going right now

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: in the makeup between the two candidates.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they're going much better

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: than they've gone in a very long time.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Joe is a phenomenal candidate.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, when you look at the whole political scene,

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: all these little factors make a difference.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He is an incredibly hard worker.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He has out of events all the time.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He's meeting with people all the time.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's formal federal prosecutor.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's got, he just could go get it, right?

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like those types of people in those positions

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: are just go get it.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So Joe's working his tail off.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He's doing a phenomenal job raising money.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: The National Republican Congressional Committee

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: is investing a lot more than they have in recent cycles.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So just from those things alone,

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going very well.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The polling as well, I'll point back to the start of your people.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It was super interesting when asking voters what issues are important.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Immigration, the economy.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Who do you trust a handle those issues?

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump or Harris?

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump, time and time again.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Even the question of who do you think is better

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to fix our democracy or better protect democracy?

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Donald Trump.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And Joe is endorsed by Trump.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know I said it earlier,

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: but I do believe that turnout with Trump at the top

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: to take it will help.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm actually very excited about T-Rab and that race.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about your Galley and D. Craig?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Angie's doing a great job.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think her campaign operation

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: is easily the best I've ever seen.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're doing the really smart

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and very effective at what they do.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I think that local C-D-2 Republicans

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: haven't even endorsed Joe.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I had to bring it up, obviously.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really live there.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We know he just has his condo in Minotaka

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and he has rented some tiny little apartment in Burnsville.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand where the motivation,

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: where are the people who are fired up?

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not you guys, but I watch action for liberties podcasts.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They are actively going out there and slogging on him

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: every single day.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they have enough of a following that.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see,

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is going to be more competitive

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: than Angie's in 2022 or 20.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my take on it, but you never know.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Angie just does what she does.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a machine truly in every way

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and she keeps doing what she's doing

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think she has a lot of respect from her peers in DC

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and actually one time I was on a plane

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was gonna talk to her

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but her and Pete Stobber were engaged

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in such a jovial combo that I didn't interrupt.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think she gets along with folks well

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and people were a specter and I think Republicans

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: in the district who don't like Joe

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: are probably gonna lean that way as well

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're a handful of them for sure.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you gave a lot of accolades to action for Liberty Crew.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe you're gonna have a new quote

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that they're gonna preview on all of their material

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: of being a bipartisan podcast now,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but there certainly is something

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to the whether it's them

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: or just the endorsement process itself.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I work for Jason Lewis's ran his reelection campaign in 2018

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: was an unsuccessful, but there are C-D2 delegates

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and activists are a completely different beast.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They there's all sides of them

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that this is something

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you've seen within your party

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: in some different districts that there are some

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that have different values and views

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: of what they lift up in Michael and I have talked a lot

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: about the endorsement process

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and how sometimes how it can go

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: when you focus more on the endorsement process itself

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: than the candidates and what they represent.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I personally do think that Joe is a great candidate

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think that Andrew has done a really good job

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: for the district and I do think she has,

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: as she spoke at the Democrat convention, right?

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: She said, I know I piss you guys off a lot.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is her acknowledging

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that she knows that she takes a lot of votes

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that Democrats on a national scale probably don't understand

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but her district does.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is a district that has been a tender

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: or top tier, top 10 race to watch for years and years

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's a lot of money being spent on both sides.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: We have I've seen, I live up in Fredley,

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on a side of the district

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but we certainly get some of the ads

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're having a lot of ads from both sides

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and I do want to say my perspective

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: is you very often don't go negative

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: unless you have a need to go negative.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that there's some reason

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: probably impoling that she wants to take us wing it Joe

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think obviously abortion is a topic

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that we've talked about a lot

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and it makes sense that she's done it.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: However, I do have to say,

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: she, I think was forced to pull one of her ads

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and rerun it because KSTP truth tested

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_02]: give her a D for her comments on the campaign's

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: language and phrasing of how they were portraying

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Terrabs, viewing abortions

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and I want to give you an opportunity

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: to take a swing if you want with that.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No Michael, you want to go first?

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So let it go but just I'm here too.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, yeah they did she lied and I think

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: when you look at the abortion issue especially,

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: again back to the start should be in pull.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It was really interesting to see how people think

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: about abortion and they want the states to handle it.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That is not and she craves few at all

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think that she lied about Tyler Kister's position

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: on abortion.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's lying about Joe Terrabs' position on abortion.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I think like you said,

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Twitter's not real life right?

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you actually have to get out

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and talk to people in the district,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: go to the firemasters, go to the parades,

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: go to the pancake breakfast,

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: go to the VFW, go talk to the Knights of Columbus,

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: go to church, go to synagogue,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: go to mosques, like talk to people

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: because again, CD2 is not a crazy liberal district.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just not, it never has been,

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it ever will be.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: An Angie might take a few votes here and there

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but she is through and through a Democrat

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just don't think that the independence

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: are buying it anymore

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and I would point to the polling yet again.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, I missed over you

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in my initial round rabid there.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All you man.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I want to say.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say to Republicans,

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say to the leadership

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: of the second district Republicans,

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: your morons, how you screw things up.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You screw things up consistently

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and I believe that there,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I beg you, we have spoke about this in the past.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We've spoke about how we,

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and I've spoken about how independent of how I'm living

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: about, I'd like campaigns to,

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: campaigns have the opportunity

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to spoke about it on Saturday

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to be the marketplace of ideas

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: where you can have good discussions.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to know why Democrats have nice things

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: in this state is because they operate in a smart way?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a Republican in the second congressional district

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and you've made things difficult for Joe Taylor,

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: David Hanne or Anna Matthews,

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you are a part of the problem.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You are absolutely a part of the problem

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's not telling me to say that,

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm going to say it because it's absolutely true.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There are a lot of things.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to say to them, Michael,

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: the Republican Party is not the only party

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: that has differences of opinion, right?

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the DFL's convention in this spring,

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: they had their own people protesting their convention.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, no, it's an,

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's fair to classify

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the Republican Party as oh,

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: there's this huge, probably blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big mess.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll never get over this.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the first time ever

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that a candidate has not been liked

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: by 100% of the people in the party.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But my point is that there has been some issues

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: down with the leadership of the second district GOP

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: in this area that have created some challenges,

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think, for Republicans to succeed.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And those need to be put aside.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans have to start working

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: in more of a collaborative way.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a congressional district where I think

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: there's been some missed opportunities.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's going to be a very close election.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens on Election Day.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to know.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to know one thing,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the ballot meddling

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: that's been done by the Democrats in the district.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we'd be remiss to not talk about that

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that they recruited this constitutional conservative

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: to shove on the ballot, which they've been doing

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: in other states.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that's good at all.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that gives a lot of people to think.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, why would Angie Craig do that?

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: If she wasn't worried about it, why would she be lying

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: if she wasn't worried about it?

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that when you look at people in CD2

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and they see this type of stuff,

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they just, again, they just get the pic.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, why?

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: If she were really so great and she

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: were so bipartisan and she were represented in the district,

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: don't lie and don't recruit fake people

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: to put on the ballot.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that I just, I don't think it's rocket science

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_03]: to start putting those things together.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Will are you currently,

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: are you part of the action for Liberty podcast?

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: How does that work?

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen, I'm always on,

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you're on a podcast with the breakdown

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with the product from Rebecca.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty interesting for you to be pumping up

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the boost of another podcast out there.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But starting out other shows,

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's an interesting strategy.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I do opposition research.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I listen to a lot of podcasts, Michael.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this as far as that case is concerned.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of finger pointing in UNDO and assertions,

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but there's no facts.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: What I can say for sure are the last two previous cycles,

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Hot Party candidates have been run.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That factually was proven to have been recruited by Republicans

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: because I helped factually prove that.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And that happened all across the state.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Paul Gazzelka himself was pointed at.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: One of your officials at the Minnesota GOP

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: through the campaign was guilty of that.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So we know for a fact that it happened,

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and it happened the last two cycles.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's pretty hypocritical

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: to have finger pointing on something

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that there is no facts, no evidence of other

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: than assumptions and assertions.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think that it really reflects poorly on Angie Craig

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_03]: when we have people contacting us saying,

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: how did my name get on this nominating petition

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that I never signed for this Thomas Bowman guy?

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: What am I supposed to tell them?

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why the start of UN has a majority

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of people polling saying that they don't trust our democracy

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and they think that Donald Trump is the best person

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: to fix it.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a problem here,

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and I believe that Angie Craig's actions

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: have negatively played into that.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, I want better.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I live in the second district.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I want better than that from my representative.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really gross

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think it's really disappointing.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I will.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say two things.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: One, I think I'm completely with you.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with both of you here.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate any time when anybody thinks

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: that they're messing and getting a new candidate on the ballot.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We should all want to have the best person in office

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that is elected by the majority or plurality of folks

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: in their district and having any sort

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of nefarious actions that detract from that.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think both parties are above it.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're all above it.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say that Angie Craig obviously herself

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: was not involved in this.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we each have roles to do here.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm proud of you both of you for doing this.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about having a segment called the spin room.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I love good and in doing your job

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and we'll do your job, you're both doing knockout jobs on this.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll just leave that at that.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be a really close race.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's always going to be a really close race.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of money that comes into this race

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: in particular from the left.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so Joe Taerab, both against with money

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and the infrastructure that the Democrats have,

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think is a uphill battle.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think him keeping it close

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: or even coming on top is a feat.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he is a really great candidate

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that I am pleased to see on the ticket.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to move on from CD2

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and with a remainder of our time,

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to spend some time chatting about the debate

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that is tonight.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we did talk about this a little bit last week,

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: but we have two new guests with two new perspectives.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm interested to get your take some this.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: First just to recap, it is tonight at 8 p.m. Central.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: This hosted by CBS in New York, 90 minutes long

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: nor old Donald from CBS, even news

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: in Margaret Brennan from Face the Nation.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And this week, unlike our episode last week,

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: we have some more information about the rules

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and how the format of the debate is going to go.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So there are going to be two four-minute commercial breaks

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: during the 90 minute debate.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: No campaign staff is going to be able to interact

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: with their candidates very similar

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to the presidential campaign.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No live audience, no opening statements.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Candidates will not be able to bring

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: pre-written notes or props on this stage.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They'll have two minutes to answer, two minutes to respond,

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: one minute rebuttals, and at the moderators' discretion,

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: make it an extra minute if they want.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike's will not be muted, but CBS does reserve the rights

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to turn off mics if needed, which got to love that, right?

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And no topics or questions were shared prior to the debate.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I want to start, I'm going to hold this.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm going to start with it.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing we've talked a lot in our conversations

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: about the previous debates about CNN,

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: not fact-checking ABC, fact-checking, doing live-facts-checking,

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: CBS is going to be having a QR code available

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: on the screen during the debate,

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: which is going to lead to their blog live blog,

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: where they'll be doing live-facts-checking.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The moderators are not going to be participating

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in any fact-checking while on air.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, I want to start with you because I think this is fascinating.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know we've talked a little bit about

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: going back and forth about what the role of the moderators

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: when they're doing too much on what side,

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and what mess that can get them into,

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like it did the last debate.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you like this QR code?

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the QR code is ridiculous.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone is going to go.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We can barely get people to pay attention.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No one's going to go get an app and download this.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the best way to do this is for there

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: to be some reasonable fact-checking, balance,

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: reasonable fact-checking during a debate.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And that comes from both the candidates responding

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to the other candidates, and other moderators

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to rein in the conversations.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most reasonable.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's around two people that are going

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: to download a QR code and follow the live-checking.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just think it's, and there's two of them

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: are probably here.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There's probably three of them then.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably do it just to see it by the things it's ridiculous.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there is a place?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this QR code is going to be great?

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Or what are your thoughts on the general in-person

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: as we go back-checking?

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think to have it as the only means of fact-checking

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is a little odd.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be good in addition

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to, like you said, reasonable fair fact-checking on both sides.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But I can tell you, my dad once thanked me for reminding him

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what Google is Google.com because he was trying

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to look something up.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So eight in a way, he's figuring out a QR code.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just definitely not going to happen.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: For example, but I do think it's an interesting idea.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to check it out.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's some value there.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know how to, how is that effective for reaching

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: a wider audience?

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I like life-action, but it's pretty interesting.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We're in a post-COVID world.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Men use our on our QR codes.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think more people do understand how to use it.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But Anna, I want to get your perspective.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We, after the last president took the bait

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: between Kamala and Trump, we had Praya Arnes, our Republican

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: representative.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And her and I maybe agreed a little bit on the fact

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that the fact checking did seem a little one-sided.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: There seemed to be a little bit more fact checking now

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: was there reasons when there's comments about eating animals?

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But what does your take?

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there's a place for the live as we go

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: or do you think something of this perspective,

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: this way of doing things is a better way to do it?

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to give them credit for responding to a complaint.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: If people are saying again and again, hey,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that this isn't,

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: or I just don't feel that fair information is being shared.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to give them some credit for attempting to

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: for actually listening and then taking action

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to respond to that.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I think either nobody's going to use it like Michael said

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: or everybody's going to use it.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just going to become this deluge

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: of un-processible information.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think the bigger issue though is that when you look at debates

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and like the four of us will never fix this.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And this isn't even a partisan thing.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But only the really big networks get the debates.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that there is a desire for more

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like personable debates almost,

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like I think it'd be fun to have a right-wing journalist

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and a left-wing journalist together

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and then have the two candidates

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and let them throw opposing questions.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Tim Walls, Dr. Minneapolis, Ferndout,

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: what do you have to say to that?

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Vance, your candidate said eating dogs and cats.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you have to say to that?

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Let them throw the questions

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and at least I think you'd have some balance there, right?

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But when you only have the one interviewer, essentially,

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and you have different people but then one network,

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's part of what causes some of it as well.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'm not going to pretend

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: to know everything about what it takes

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: to put on a nationwide debate or I've never worked in.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I have to give them some credit

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: for responding to that and just trying it.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, what's insanity doing the same thing

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and expecting different results?

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, if they try this and it fails,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: they know that hey, we tried it and it failed

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're not going to do it again.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see, I don't know.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, agree, totally agree.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm wanting to get your guys to take on how you think

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: that too will perform well start with you.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What can we expect to see for him, Tim Walls,

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and what do you expect to see from JDVans?

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I can say for Tim Walls,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think JDVans is going to be very reminded very often

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: about his past stances on Donald Trump.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've all seen those quotes.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He went on for years and years.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He built his persona on being an anti-Trumper.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he completely, once he decided

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: if you wanted to get close access to power,

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he decided to completely flip on that

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and become the ultimate Trump butkissor.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So I really think that is going to be shoveled in his face

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: a whole bunch.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: At least I would hope so.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Tim Walls is a good debater as well.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a sharp grasp of the facts.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes he gets a little over excited.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't relate to that a little bit

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe he flubs a line or something of that nature.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I really think he's a very good debater.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is going to be a good setup for him.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be a good format.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: As far as JDVans, I'll be honest with you.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen him debate before.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I know he went to Harvard or whatever.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget he's an Ivy Leager.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So he'll probably try to bust some of that stuff out.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I've always wanted to use that actually against the Republican.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, yeah, I don't really know what to expect.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to throw in the usual lines.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The same stuff that Trump does.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, I think this is going to be like a big unknown for me.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like going into Harris Trump.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I knew what to expect.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: This one, I feel like I'm super in the dark on.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's almost a good thing though

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that you're a little bit in the dark because I know at least

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: from what I've been saying, people are actually really excited

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: for this debate because again, we've been watching Trump

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_03]: debate since 2016.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Harris has a known commodity.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_03]: She's even before she was the VP.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think people are actually intrigued.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that people really respect vans and walls

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: in that they have stayed out of some of the fray.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they are a little bit less known.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that'll actually be good.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it will be interesting, like actually interesting.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what happens tonight.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: To totally agree.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And there are also stylistically very different as well.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting to see how that will play on camera.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Very, very interesting.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The way he's a vans seems like he's a little more stoic.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He tried to use a little more intellectual.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim walls obviously speaks from the heart.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a very passionate guy.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He gestures a lot.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a very interesting to watch in the differences

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: between them.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We did here in an interview that walls did a while back

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that he kind of setting expectations a little bit.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Did mention, listen, I'm just a coach and a teacher

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and vans is a Ivy League lawyer, right?

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want you to take of what we can expect to see from vans

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: from walls.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you agree that it's going to be a little bit more

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: personality versus intellectual?

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Or what are you hoping for?

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I think both vans and walls have significantly less

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: personality than Trump and Harris, right?

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they are both the, I don't know,

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm calling like the anchor.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're a grounding effect on the ticket,

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: which is what I think the VP is supposed to do.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the main reasons that vans was picked

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: is because he is very good with the media.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He knows how to talk about what he wants to talk about.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He knows how to remain calm, just watching him answer

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03]: questions.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that he does a good job of turning things back

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: to where they should be going.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm excited to watch him do that tonight.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that he tends to be pretty calm and cool walls.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that I think is going to be the wild card

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: tonight, the dirty little secret is that Tim Wells has a temper

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and that has gotten him before.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And he does not always stay calm and cool and collected.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that he has the coach persona

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and the teacher persona and the dad and the husband

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they're trying to say that Minnesota is this cute little

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: neighborly paradise where the DFL has been able to do so much

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: in this purple region.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He has a temper, and I think that he is provocable.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know what will happen with that tonight.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm just expecting to hear more of again,

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: we and Minnesota have heard a lot from Tim Wells.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think I'm going to be shocked by anything

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: he says tonight, but that's just me.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, any change of perception

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: from our conversation last week?

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think who do you think is going to be doing more

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: of the poking?

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We saw obviously Harris, right?

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: A burfolk trumpelat.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We know that's possibly a reverse tonight of Vance

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to get a rise out of walls.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think is going to be the leader in that?

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that walls is I think the expectation

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_00]: is totally unvanced to perform tonight.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the explanation.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And let me just say a few things about that.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll repeat a little bit what I said last week.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: If JD vancice will smart, he wouldn't be in the situation

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: he's in right now.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's pulling his consistently showed.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He's disliked and ahead to head against walls.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It more voters are resonating and agreeing

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and the likeability factor is more with walls

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_00]: than it is with JD Vance.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because JD vancice spent his entire time

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: since he's been the VP talking about crazy conspiracy,

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_00]: serious, crazy conspiracy theories.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the Yale graduate that's supposed

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_00]: to be so sophisticated and smart

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: has not done a very good job of staying on message.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the challenge is also going to be for him

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_00]: coming in as someone who has said the type of things

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that he has said about former president Trump.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He called America's Hitler.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's good.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That's tough to do.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I really struggle intellectually

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_00]: as someone who has never a Trump supporter.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But someone who never said that type of hyperbolic stuff

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: about the former president,

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really challenging about how someone can mentally go

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_00]: from calling someone America's Hitler

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to being there running may.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a challenge tonight

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_00]: for him to explain that, explain how he got there credibly,

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_00]: not how he can do that in the spin room,

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: but how he can credibly stand in front

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of Americans and say, this is a guy I call the America's Hitler.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm standing with him.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think that's going to be a challenge.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think walls has the right type of enthusiasm.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He gets energetic about the things

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that people want him to be energetic about.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting angry because dogs and cats

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: are being eaten in spring, full of high.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He's mad that people are talking and lying

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: about dogs and cats being eaten in a very fill of high.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that walls is enthusiasm and energy

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: is going to come across in the right way.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jaydy Vance is the one that needs to land in tonight.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And if he doesn't, I think the campaigns

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: will continue to be in trouble.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: If I just wanted to say, I know what you're referencing

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: when you talk about, we've seen him get angry,

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: fired up during debates and stuff.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: One conversation with Scott Jensen, I would be angry too.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have blown my lid just talking to that guy.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have absolutely drive it, driven me up the wall.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even speak right now because I'm,

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because the thought of Scott Jensen,

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think on a national stage,

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I would expect him to not,

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Vance is going to be able to trigger him

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and trigger that sort of emotion.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think the one big difference between Vance and walls

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: is that walls has a record.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he has been given a shot to run a state.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he has done things,

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: he has taken Minnesota in certain directions.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that he's going to have to answer

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: for those things, right?

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, George Floyd, that was something happened here

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that had national consequences,

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_03]: high handling of COVID, handling of the surplus.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: All of these things, he's going to have to answer for those.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there are certain things in his record

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and it will be on him to answer for those.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So it'll be interesting.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: COVID and the George Floyd incident all happened

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: under Donald Trump two.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I would, that's my one pushback,

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but I know what I understand what you mean.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, he had responsibility.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: He was elected to govern Minnesota

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and voters get to decide if they're happy

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: on how he's done with that.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't they do that in 22?

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the conversation.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I never quite like, that never connects to me

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: is 22 kind of should have been that, right?

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean anything.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Minnesota voters took a vote in 22.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But again though, Minnesota is not the rest of the country.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Minnesota is not Pennsylvania or Ohio

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: or Michigan or Texas or Florida or California or New York.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, 100% and like I said too,

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: when you have additional media coverage,

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: when you actually have to him,

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_03]: walls on a national stage being exposed in a certain way,

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: probably earning some more credit,

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_03]: probably having credit with drawn from him.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it really paints him in a different light.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, Minnesota voters took a vote in 22,

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_03]: but now the country will be taken to vote on him

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_03]: in less than 40 days.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Before we move on,

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask a question.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I propose to our panelists last week

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: if Vance performs poorly tonight,

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: do you think that Trump could change his mind

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_02]: about another debate?

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, do you think I would agree to one with Harris and October?

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the campaign may want to do some patchwork

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: on the last time they've ever seen publicly

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: with the other candidate.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting really late in the game.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Anna just mentioned,

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: less than 40 days.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a whole lot of time to get another debate together.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy to think about too, by the way.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's possible, but I don't know.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Trump will not want a butt kicking

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: if that were to happen to be the last taste

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that voters see probably.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, maybe possibly.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Anna, what do you think?

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think honestly regardless of how close tonight,

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: things can always change.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think on anything just because somebody says

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: we're not doing another debate on either side.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They could very easily put together another debate.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's a lot of work, but again,

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_03]: this is the major news networks jobs.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They could put one together.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll just have to see.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, anything to round out debate or debate preview here.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I keep going back to is I,

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe an unprepared to be wrong about this,

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I still think that there's a possibility of a debate.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still, there's a part of me that believes that

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that it will happen.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And a part of the reason I think that is because

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Trump will want to do something.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you get close to a race.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You get close to an election cycle.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And you start to get a sense of, as you get closer,

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I could see there being a possibility of a last minute

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: to be just because of campaigns and candidates like

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to get some energy.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And they want to do something.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And with their being such,

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: with that being still an option on the table,

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you can come together and come together quickly.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'd watch for that.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I just depends on the conditions too, right?

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like who's hosting the debate?

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they pull together something that hasn't been pitched.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: If they're polling and people want another debate.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: If something new comes out about vans or harris or Trump.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, 40 days, I know it doesn't seem like a long time,

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's actually a very long time.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: There's been a lot that can happen.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The breakdown with Brock or Rebecca would be happy

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to host a debate and we would ensure that we would be too

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_00]: get multiple guests, even though I made her decision

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_00]: in this race, we would ensure

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: that it would be handled with full transparency

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and a part of your fact check QR code together

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: then much.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, baby.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We would do it.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd go ahead, Becky.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to move on to my least favorite topic of the day.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is great.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Football.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_00]: This is great.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to start with doing a little breakdown

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of the breakdown here.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a gentleman called woke lib will in first place.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder who that could be?

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Will they just in-

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael naming me.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael naming me.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael is in fourth place.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Anna is tied for fifth and Becky is downdied for nine.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That is-

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm eating you, Becky.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I will say that Michael and I

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: did tie this week.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This week for we did tie.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to give myself a little thought on the bag.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of points I'll let you make.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, my Becky, what's my objective every season?

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Just one there's just to beat you.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: My only goal is to make sure I finish her head

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: a Becky and if I win the league like I did last year,

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that's even better.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But my objective is to just be Becky.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is great.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's nice to have four guests

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that are participating in this.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, will you are currently on top?

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I never win these either.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm terrible.

[00:51:12] Breakout.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Breakout exactly.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Stop the count.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I can still win if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yes.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we do have just very quickly

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not to bring this into each other's houses.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But we had a Vikings packer show down this weekend.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And we did a my wife did a podcast episode.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky's husband did a podcast episode with us.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both packer fans.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And so tough weekend for them.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a tough weekend.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you enjoyed sitting with yours.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That was during that game.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I took a nap for during part of it

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: because I needed a little break.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was tough sitting next to a packer fan.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_00]: My wife was gone for part of it.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And but I saw I had some neighbors over during part of it

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: was great to watch of Vikings one.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very confident that they're going to London this weekend.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to not be there.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just really happy that we're doing football again.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's competitive in this league.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Wheels in first place.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm being back.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He's sure it's all that really.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all 30, 830 start time for Vikings jets.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be a lot of fun.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Be a lot of fun.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank everyone again.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And let me just say closing.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to say this again and repeat this.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really important that people see this happening.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Minnesotans and people all across the world.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is worldwide.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Anna you and will are both and Anna and will are both partisans

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: from different perspectives.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And they came on this show and they spoke to each other

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're going to be a debate.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to leave hopefully as friends.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the type of discussion.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's we need to see more of that type of stuff.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to see professionals like doing that type of stuff.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so important as selection cycle.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so appreciative of Anna and will for coming on.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And for Becky for helping create this space because this is

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: ultimate when needs it have happened.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We can do more of this.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to everything is going to be just fine.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I just want to thank you all for your leadership

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and coming on and being willing to do this.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so important to see.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to say thank you before we close.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_03]: OK? Thank you, Michael.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And thank you Becky for.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And well, I'm going to say thank you to Will.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying I'm a whole fun thanking you to for paving the path

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and making this possible.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, thank you to Will for coming on.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually not that hard for Republicans and Democrats

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to be friends.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're a reasonable person, I just I think it's funny when it's like,

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, wow, they had a conversation.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like it's not that difficult.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, yes, thank you.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're coming on.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Likewise, yeah, I'm in two pick them league.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Two Republican pick them league.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not hard to get along with people and not fight cats and dogs.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, when you're winning, it's not hard.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You should stop Becky last year when she was in shoes terribly.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Becky.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to thank everyone for listening to this.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Another episode of the breakdown of Brock Corbin, Becky,

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_00]: before we go show some love for your favorite podcast by leaving us

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_00]: a video on Apple Podcasts or the platform where you listen.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The breakdown with Brock Corbin, Becky will be out again soon.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for listening.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great day.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And watch it.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye bye.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye guys.