A break down about polls, debate prep, and GOTV tactics

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_04]: We are back this week with another panel conversation. Featuring this week, we're featuring Julius Hernandez

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and Priya Samsondark. Julius serves as the director of AdGIP advocacy for the Institute

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: of Digital Humanity. He has been heavily involved in DFL politics working on races

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: from Minneapolis City Council, State Legislature and Congress. Priya is our resident

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Republican. She has worked for the MNGOP, the RNC, and various campaigns of all levels.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Today we will be covering topics all over the map. As we are just 41 days out from the

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: election, we will start by breaking down recent polls, including one right here in Minnesota.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: We will hit on early voting being open in Minnesota and Taylor Swift's role in Minnesota's elections.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We will discuss that sounding surrounding first lady Jill Biden's apparently running a recent

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: habit meeting. And we will end by breaking down what we can expect from next week's Vice Presidential

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: debate. But I want to start the show with one last pitch for the MNPOS Festival where the

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Break Down with Brodkorb and Becky will be hosting our first in-person podcast. We will be joined by

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: a former state Senator Michelle Benson and Minnesota Jobs Coalition Executive Director John Rulo

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: to discuss the challenges facing Republicans in Minnesota and explore why the GOP's

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Taruggles statewide and what it will take to regain voter support and turn things around for

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans in our state. The event is this Saturday, September 28th, downtown Minneapolis

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and our episode will be live at 433. So those unable to make it in person, you will be able

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: to listen to the podcast after the fact. Those hoping to attend but have yet to register,

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you can visit mnpost.com slash festival and use the cold breakdown one word to get the best

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: rate possible. We hope to see you there. Thanks for joining us and enjoy the show.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, hello our student panel. How is everyone doing today?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Good. Yeah, excited to be back. Great. Well we are certainly excited to have you all.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We are going to kick things off with a recent poll here in Minnesota. I'm Start Tribune and PR

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: 11 did a joint poll that was conducted from the 16th through the 18th of September.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And it came out with Harris on top. Harris and we all got 48% to the 43% Lee to 43% over Trump

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: bands. 7% of respondents remain undecided and fewer than 2% said that they would walk for a third

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: of the United States. This is in line with the recent last poll that was in June with Biden and

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump where I had Biden up by 4 as well. One of the things that I think is we are certainly

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: in the time 41 days out enthusiasm is there on both sides more than 90% of those poll

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: claimed that they are either very enthusiastic or somewhat enthusiastic about their choice.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is kind of something I think is a little bit different than what we had seen over the

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: still frustration on both sides of who was at the top of the ticket.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Praya you talk to Republican voters, you talk to voters of all stripes. Are you feeling this?

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: People are ready to either vote cast their vote for Donald Trump or Kamala Harris?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I do. I mean we talked a little bit about this last time that you know, Will and I were on

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: is that you know I do think that there is a little bit of an enthusiasm gap where as there

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is still a little bit more of that enthusiasm bump on the Democrats side. I think again,

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: some of that has waned a little bit especially after the first the first debate where we saw a

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: lot of non-answers from Kamala Trump. We saw from Kamala Harris, good Lord. And then saw a lot

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: unusual answers in an unusual posture from Donald Trump.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But did give to some extent answers but was really all over the place. I do think that a lot of

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Americans are probably just ready for this to be over with. I think a lot of Americans want

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: solutions and they want answers. Obviously I think this is a presidential election that will go down

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: in the history books as one of the most unusual on-hand presidential elections of our lifetime.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that people are just ready for some real answers. They're really ready for

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: they're ready for answers and that's something that we just haven't really gotten from

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: either side at the moment. I think we've heard a lot of policy stances. I think the Trump

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: campaign has done a better job of giving answers on how they're going to solve a lot of the problems.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for Republicans it's a little bit easier this time around because

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: we do have something to run against. We have the Biden Harris administration and there are

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: four years of record failure. A lot of Americans a lot of Americans are very unhappy with what's

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: transpired over the last four years and things were arguably very good under Donald Trump's

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: four years. Come on, Oscar. Hey there is a lot of people that will look at their

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: your kids college funds. They look at therefore one case. They look at their their retirement funds.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They're looking at a lot of things and they will tell you point blank I think probably you could even say

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael that your your like economic like future was a lot better under Donald Trump than it was

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: under the Biden Harris administration. You might not like his policies but I like the fact that he

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: talks about you know there's no way I can make that happen. Dogs and cats in in a way. But they

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: will think back to the first term and they will think back to what did their textbook look like?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What did their savings account look like? What did their retirement funds look like?

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: What did the stock market look like? Can they say that their life was better under those

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: four years than last four years? Most Americans, nine out of ten will tell you guys.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we actually will chat a little bit further about this because that comes up in an

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: moment because there are a few things of note that I think are important to discuss. But Julia,

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: so I want to give you a chance obviously on the Democratic side you've been on the campaign trail

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: working on a primary race just most recently. Are you feeling that from your side? The folks

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: really know that it is it is moved over to Harris we're passed the convention. We got the first to

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: bat down. Democrats are as jazzed as it appears for for Harris and to get there to the polls to

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_03]: pass their ballot for Kamala Harris. Yeah I think the people that were probably soft on Biden

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but were going to vote for him because they just really hate Trump are enthusiastic now and

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: willing to be involved. I'd probably put myself in that category and I think I know a lot of

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: people that were in that same category as well. And I think it shows from post-bidendroping out

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: to Kamala being the nominee how I mean Minnesota was in play like Trump campaign was about to

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: be expanding a lot more money here because I thought it was based off of pulling with Biden

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and then Kamala gets into their race and now you know it's a five-point race based off of this poll.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you know from a grassroots standpoint there obviously there are a lot more people on the

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: DFL side that are much more engaged and excited about being a part of the process of getting

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: her elected and I think a part of that too comes with not only Kamala being like a historic

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: nominee but walls being the VP nominee and you know having some of that hometown home state

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: connections I think really has energized the base at least on a statewide level and I think has really

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: given a lot of independence some hope that they don't have to vote for to post you know close to

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: 80-year-old men. You know and I think you know just to end with this thought Frank Lundz like one of

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: campaign to get rid of their 80-year-old nominee was gonna win and I think that there race in this

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: state specifically too has dramatically shifted in favor of Democrats whereas again just a couple

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: a month and a half ago the state wasn't played generally for Republicans at least on the

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: presidential level and now it's probably unlikely not so so yeah Michael you're kind of

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: little bit between both worlds here being a Republican with a Republican pass but voting for

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Kamala Harris and being open about your support for the vice president do you feel that five

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: points is accurate more or less where where's your where's your thought on the matter? I mean I always

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: want my independent of how I'm voting always want my analysis to be fair I think prayer and

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and Julius brought up some really good points I mean I think they really do and that's one of

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: the advantages of having smart people on the podcast is because they I think that they're offering

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: very good analysis as to where the race is but for for someone like me who's a Republican but who wants

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: there to be and what is supporting Harris and walls I think I would be surprised if it's a

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: five point race in the state I think it's a little outside that I think that for Republicans to succeed

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: in this state overall I think we I think and I do I'd like to see Republicans succeed in some in

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: areas they need the margin to be close and so I think it's good because aside from how I'm voting

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in my on my ballot I believe in a two party system I want their V of Ivan and two party and you

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: know pre-annos that because I mean we were we talked about that extensively that's why it's so great

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: having around this podcast along with Julius is because prayer and is as an absolute just can throw

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: out those good points and she's been consistent on that I'd look for Republicans to succeed so

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I do think I would be surprised on election day if the if it was less than five points in

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota I still think Harris is ahead in the state I would venture to say it's probably

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: five to ten points probably closer to ten I would honestly be surprised if on election day

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: if it was more than double digits in Minnesota I still believe if I was a bet and person

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and I kind of am sometimes I think it's probably around five to somewhere in that five to ten range

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe seven or eight and that's a good spot for I think Republicans to be because if you get outside

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: more of that ten range it's tough for Republicans to pick up some seeds when the top of the

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: ticket is failing at that rate. I don't want to get ahead of myself but I'm going to a little bit

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I tend to agree I do you know pre-ann I were deep on the ground in 2020 we're going to chat

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: about ground game here in Minnesota nationwide and a little bit but the Trump apparatus in

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Minnesota in 2020 was robust it was thriving it was huge and across the state and had so many

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: paid staff train staff offices so much of an investment in the state and still lost by seven points

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and so it is hard for me to believe that at this point it's going to be closer than it was in 2020

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: in Minnesota but we've seen crazy or things so who am I to say yeah exactly the point though can I

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: just ask a question back isn't it possible that because because John Rolomew this statement

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think and I don't want to sign this to pretty much I think pre-match you there is a

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: possibility because walls being on the ticket that it energizes Republicans so I would throw back

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and say is it possible that the margin could be closer even though there's less maybe less

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: physical apparatus being offices and staff that what's what's jinned up as it's jinned up

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans a bit and the fact that walls is on the ballot might give them

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans a bit of a double enthusiasm just something I throw out there.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well yeah let you go into this because I think it speaks so especially to your economic points.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I think that but I think also Becky you might have this poll so I'm sorry if I'm like coming

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: out of here but there was a new poll that came out and it specifically pulled how do people view

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: walls as role in the 2020 riots and so the only group of when you look at it from a geographical

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective the only group that had a positive viewing of that were folks in many apples as

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: same poll they were the only ones that viewed walls is involvement in that favorably when they looked

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: at the suburbs it dropped by double digits and so I think that could be a key place for

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Republicans especially down ballot to do well is to latch onto that and take advantage of that

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and that also could make a difference for a top of the ticket so Michael's point you know

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in Becky's point you know Trump did come very close in 2016 what was at 44,000 votes 1.4%

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that was because we had a strong third party third party candidate that took about 7 points you

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: know five to six points off the ballot we didn't have that in 2020 loss that that's why

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump lost by seven points if it's not anywhere within like a 4 to 7 point range I wouldn't be

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: surprised. I think that it the very telling I mean we just had speaker Mike Johnson here

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: at the third precinct with Joe Teraab and fishback in a couple other members of Congress or candidates

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: so it certainly seems as though that that's a message that Republicans are going to latch on to

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: whether they have the money and infrastructure to actually do anything with that time will tell

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I do want to hit on a couple other things on this pull before we move on to the NBC poll

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I think what we're seeing pretty consistently across all the polls is when it comes to issue

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: responding support believe Trump is the best fit for the economy and border

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and Harris is the best fit for protecting democracy, see, and abortion that's spent time and time

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: again on these polls coming out of debates I don't think that's any surprise one thing I was

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: really surprised about however well two things first when we look at the geographic breakdown no

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: surprise when we look at Hennepin and Ramsey County Harris comes on on top at 64% Trump

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: fans at 28% that's not a surprise similarly when we look at rural Minnesota Trump is in the lead

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: by double digits there when we look at the rest of the metro though it has Harris and walls at 43

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: percent and Trump vansit 48% this was shocking to me because this is something Michael and I have been

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: talking about for the last two years that suburban women and suburban parents in general

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: are going to be big decision makers and I was surprised that Trump wall or I'm sorry Trump

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: vansit came out on top about 5% here Julia's any you know with your work in the in the Ramsey

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and in Ramsey areas and with your conversations in the suburbs were you surprised that

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that Trump fans are in the lead when it comes to respondents from the metro area?

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean I hate being the person that's like I usually hate people that are like I don't trust

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: holes and I'm not that's what I'm going to say because I because I do generally think that they

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: become fairly accurate since 2016 for the most part I don't know that I entirely think that

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that's going to hold up right I think you made a good point we have 41 days so that that's not

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of time but I think that when you look at how Harris is doing with women how Harris is doing

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: with people of color and some of those key like in suburban women specifically I think there's a

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: little bit more room for growth for her because she's not as well known and I think the other

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: bright spot for the campaign and one thing that they have to really focus on is generally the

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: polls that we've seen don't attach her to the policies of Biden people don't overwhelmingly

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: blame her for some of those decisions that were made and I think that she has a ton of room

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: for growth in the metro area and like I said I 48 for Trump and the metro like greater metro

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: side of hand have been in Ramsey and kind of that you know those outering suburbs and middle ring

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: is a little shocking to me but I think you know if that were actually the case I think that she has

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot more room for growth with people that she needs to win over specifically suburban women

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and Trump has a very low ceiling and I think that you'll see maybe a shift in that the last

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: month or so I think we'll see a difference in that for sure. Michael before we move on to NBC

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: any thoughts on that metro number or also the independent split independence in this poll

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: come out again for Trump 43% for Trump 41% for Harris. Thanks. I think that there is I think

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump's numbers are baked meaning I think that it's I mean this is a guy who let's look at some of

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the events of the last few few months you know when he when he when some of his legal challenges have

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: his poll numbers have really haven't budged much and so what I think is that his numbers are at a

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: point and this is someone who I don't think ever when he I don't think there was time when Trump was

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: ever president and he pulled over 50% he's always hovering around I mean what he got in 2020

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: was 46.8 that's the highest number he's ever gotten naturally is 46.8 I understand there's 50

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: state elections not a national election I get all that stuff but I think there is more room for

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Harris to gain than I think there is for Trump because I think what and I think that's the race here

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's I think what it comes down to is is do people feel comfortable voting for Harris

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: because I find very unlikely that there are a lot of voters out there who are truly undecided on

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump I think what they're deciding is and they vote for will they vote for Trump or what I really

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: think the movement is is whether they're undecided on Harris and so if Harris is able to close

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that close it in the last 40 some days the election and make that persuasion argument with a

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: discipline message I think she can I think that campaign has more of a likely to pick things up

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: when we look at the NBC poll it's very similar 5. lead for the Harris walls ticket

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_04]: but one thing that I would like to chat a little bit about and hear from Priya because

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: somebody who maybe doesn't look at it at Harris as favorably as the other two

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Harris's favorability has jumped 16 points since July the poll set or this article said

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_04]: the largest increase for any politician in NBC news pulling history it has prior to this was

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: President George W. Bush standing after that it surged after the 911 terrorist attacks

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: that's what I wanted to hear it. And while I mean 16 points in three months is a

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: pretty significant number it is as people are getting to know her more however one thing I tend to

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: agree with Priya Priya on here is that we haven't had the opportunity to hear from her as much

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: to have folks maybe what they've seen in the debates what they've seen in the rare

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: media appearances interviews are favorable things we haven't seen the missteps we haven't

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: seen the gaps we haven't seen the stumbles so is that the reason Priya I'm guessing I'm

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing it up for what I kind of expected you to come at here. No you're 100% accurate I mean

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: they are and look the reality is is that come my Harris will get a different level of treatment

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: from the press than any other candidate well and this is something that I battled even when I was

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: working for Nikki Haley because when in 2020 I'll use this as an example I was working for

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: top down in Iowa you know got to witness that whole thing pretty much from start to finish

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in the lead up to the Iowa caucuses and the one thing you would see constantly is the level of

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: favorability that you would see national news outlets come out with so it would be stories

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that talked about common Harris coming up from nothing coming up from a daughter of immigrants

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about how Indian communities and black communities and Jamaican communities

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: felt heard or seen your seen stories about how the the small community in India where

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: her mother came from is so excited to see like these are the kind of pop piece stories that you

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: would want never see for a Republican but you also never see just generally for a political candidate

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I think when you have those level of like pop piece stories coming out while at the same time

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kamala and walls are not doing interviews at all they've done one interviews basically since she

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: got into this race she's not talking about the issues and nobody is taking her to task

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: over the issues that she did choose to adopt in the 2020 presidential campaign when she ran and was

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to take to get voters and get support when she was running in the Iowa caucuses the

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: government know what's coming back to those or holding her accountable for the fact that she

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: has been vice president for the last four years and she is just as responsible as Joe Biden

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: for the downfall that this country is facing the last four years when you have all those things

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: come together it's no wonder she is 16 points up from July. I want to make a quick pitch that

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: if you are only listening to this and not watching it I encourage you to watch us that our

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: live streams because the facial reactions right now for Michael and Julius are spot on one push back

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to before send it over to Julius is I will say I do think that its Republicans failures

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to not be able to accurately tie her to Joe Biden I think we're worth input that's all that

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: right now that's the lack of interviews done a little bit more than one but is still a frustration

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: of mine but Julius taktua is a little bit about where you think that's their ability jump comes from

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a couple of things.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: First, it's who she is, right?

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's she's the first major nominee for a party

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that's a black woman and an Indian-American

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: South Asian woman.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think, yeah, of course you're going to have

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: puff pieces, right?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's natural that it just is what it is

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and it kind of like comes along with the identity she holds

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's say that's good or bad, but I think I would say

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a little odd to make the claim that she's getting

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: some sort of better treatment because I think,

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, I watch CNN every day and they're always talking

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: about how she never does interviews.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Which, you know, is a failure in her campaign.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually think it's quite smart, right?

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, she doesn't need, we have 41 days.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She does not need to go out there and say something

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that is going to take up a new cycle for two or three

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: of those days.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't make any sense and I don't think she would,

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: right?

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But when it comes to policy, let her do that on her website,

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: let her go to these events and talk to these key groups of people,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: union workers and let her do that.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And she doesn't need to talk to the media, right?

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it doesn't, I don't think it, I don't think it helps her

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in any way.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it benefits her that she's running more of a campaign

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that's just, you know, rallies and going to these

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like key events.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say too, it's really hard to compare

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Kamala Harris who generally does not have a ton of moral failings.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: To Donald Trump, who constantly takes a new cycle

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because of the things he says they're offensive, aggressive,

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, inappropriate when he has rallies where he talks

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: about sharks and batteries in water.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably going to be more of a worthy like a news piece, right?

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do agree with Praya that she should be answering questions,

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: right? She should be looking, even if it's local media.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Go to these local news outlets, go to these swing states and talk

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: to these local media and news outlets and tell them what your plans are.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Make small videos that you can put up on the website

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and Twitter talking about, this is what I want to do.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that the notion that she's getting special treatment from

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the press at an overmoving rate is actually,

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I would push back against and say,

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_03]: is not a fair representation of what I would say is happening.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I see them different like,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I have her as my phone background, I have her in Timmel's on my phone screen.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I do my very best.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, you know, it's like, I think someone who is in diet at

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: on 31 counts and can't keep it for.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: 34 sorry.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like can't keep it with mouth shut to save his life and constantly says,

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: things like dogs are getting eaten in this small time in Ohio.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, are you going to cover Kamala Harris, just go on your event

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: or are you going to cover him saying something really stupid like that?

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I think it's fair what what Priya is saying about

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Harris in some sense but I don't think it's entirely accurate.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I will just throw back to this real quick though.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She's just five points ahead and if all of what you're saying is true,

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you're talking about the indictments and everything he said and she's only five

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: points that tells me just how bad the Democrats message actually is.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's number one.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Two, I would say that for all, Donald Trump's entire life, he has spent time

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: saying ridiculous things and I think it's just become nature of the beast.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so for a lot of folks, I don't think that they're necessarily

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: contemplating whether or not they like Kamala is a person or not, like a lot of people

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Obama, but they didn't like his policies and I think that's what it comes down to.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard this said many times by both Republicans and Democrats.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they comfortable with bad orange man tweeting unnecessarily?

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Things that they may not care for but have

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: have good policies that actually uplift their families and move them forward.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's I think the big crux of all of this at the end of the day.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, I know you were jumping on your skin about this 16 point jump from pairing it to

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Bush Post 911.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things I need you address.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_00]: No, let me say this first of all,

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: prayer, it's you are you throw the heat every show and so it's physically impossible for me not

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: to react in some ways like ride in my seat or get upset when you're saying stuff because

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you're so good at what you do. So if I sat here like a zombie, then I think you should be disappointed

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because Becky says stuff where I literally want to throw stuff off the wall because it's

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: all rage. It was pretty good when we were talking about food takes. That's why I had to redo my office

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because her food takes for her still garbage. So prayer, please take it as a compliment that as

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you're speaking on the street. I want to get so angry, okay? So that being said,

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you want to know why she's there's a 16 point above because people like her because she's a

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like a person and you want to know why there's the disparity is when you when you nominate someone

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: who wants to talk about dog and cats being, who goes under debate stage and talks about

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: in praises Hannibal Lecture. When he does the type of, that's not going to be successful with

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: the media that you're on and that's what I discussed before. Trump's popularity

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: is peaked nationally, it 46.8% I don't believe and I'll open it up for comment. I'll

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: open it up for people to fact tech me. I do not believe there was a time when Donald Trump

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: ever served as president that his approval rating was over 50%. And having listened to a number

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: of episodes where Praya talked about stuff, I know this. I'm smart on this because I listen

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to Praya. You nominate a popular candidate. You can do a better job at winning elections. Here's

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the other point to have it make you. I was and as folks have mentioned before in the podcast,

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a pretty consistent cycle of going through CNN MSNBC in Fox on a pretty regular schedule.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So I get balance news. Sorry I don't listen to one American news. Pray I know that's where

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you get all your news from. And so and so my point is, so my point is is that there's been some

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of discussion about these interviews. What the Harris walls campaign is doing is they're

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: doing a lot of local media. They're doing a lot of individual interviews. They're not doing

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: national interviews. The next radiation. But let me point out to you something. The reason why

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and and Trump is doing a lot of that stuff. You want to know why? Because he's a terrible

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: messenger because he always have to it's always clean up an aisle three. He does the media one

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: day. He doesn't stand message. And so he has to clean it up. It is ridiculous that Trump has

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to do the amount of interviews that he does. And it's not making an impact. You want to know why

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: because he can't stay on message. And we did a podcast episode a few while a little while back

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about what some of the Republican message could be. And I'm not trying to help out

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Democrats, but if you go back and listen to the archives and flag any episode that pray as on,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you probably get some pretty good message as to what they should be talking about.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to help them out too much. But the point I'm saying is the reason why the Vice

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: President and and Governor walls are able to do more local interviews is because they can stay

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in message and they're disciplined. One other point I'd want to make you if the Republicans

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: want Harris to be to be analyzed on a national stage, their candidate shouldn't be

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: being chicken and not participating in debates. The absolute best way for common

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Harris's policies to be vetted on the national stage is by having Donald Trump, the Republican

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: nominee on stage with her. And that's the frustration you should have right now is that Donald

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump has said he's not debating again. And there are 40 some days between now and the

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: election plenty of time for there to be a presidential debate. And that would be that would

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think provide the best opportunity. So for Republicans or mad, here's what I'd say.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Indoorce, nominate candidates that can stand message have a running mate that's value added

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't push conspiracy theories like dogs and cats are being eaten and do more Prince

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: of the state. And then I would say that I'm just a plan message and agreed to debate,

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and then things could maybe change for you. I will take an opportunity book, Julia, as I know

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you have a comment you want to share. It's very clear that Becky and Priya colluded before

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: this episode and they share talking points. So we're going to talk about that out there.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: All you will say is that Priya and I were both jointly supportive of Nikki Haley

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: to take down the president Donald Trump and I'm just saying that we are on your side of

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans should have supported a better candidate and had a better presidential candidate.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So just want to say, I think we're all in agreement that Donald Trump is not the best

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: nominee for the Republican ticket right now. But Julia, you had something to share.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and to just piggyback off two things that Michael said, you know, we're talking about

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: no, I'm adding a madding. We're colluding out. I just said that you're colluding. You

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: had to be plightable of the colluding. Oh gosh, rush again. So okay, so the first thing I'm

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: on to support piggyback off of is Michael Bay to give point. They're doing local media. This

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever people lie and say this is a national race. It is not. It is Pennsylvania. It is Michigan.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It is Arizona and that is it. Right? Those are the people that need to hear these messages

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and need to hear from the campaigns the most frequently. And I would say the Harris campaign

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: is doing a really good job of sending their service there, putting her in places where she needs

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to be and using walls to do messaging in those states. So it's like, I don't need to like,

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Minnesota doesn't need to hear Kamala Harris more because she's probably going to win the state

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's going to win it by a healthy margin. Right? She's not. She's going to win California.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter if they hear her there. Right? So I think that your resources best spent

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: with 41 days left and at the time when she started however many 60s, 70 days

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: is to do it in the states that matter the most. She cannot win unless she wins Pennsylvania and

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: she has spent a ridiculous amount of time there since she's become the nominee. And so it

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: makes sense for her to continue to do that local media. And I understand the distaste for that but

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it really is an national race. I think at this point it's a couple of states. And then the

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: other part I wanted to touch on was that, you know, the reason Trump doesn't want to debate is because

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: he's bad at it. He used to be good. I used to love watching Donald Trump with a base even though

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't stand him because he was a good debate or he made people a dumb. This time though,

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: she has done what no one else could do and she baited him every single time and he is not a good

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: messenger. He doesn't listen to his campaign staff and he is bad for Republicans up and down the

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: ticket in terms of messaging. And I think that they're taking advantage of the fact that he can

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: eat up new cycles by saying dogs and cats are getting eaten and voice white calling people calling

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: themselves an anti-Semite. They can piggyback off of that by just being quiet and letting them

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: show the American people who they are individually and not representations with all Republicans,

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but who they are and what kind of leaders they would be on that side of the aisle. So I think

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that that's important too is like there's not a national race it really isn't. So it really doesn't

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: matter at the end of the day for us like in this state. Just two quick things if I could just say

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: one. I'm a debate front it's easy to like quote unquote wanted to bait when it's three against

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: one. We've already had this discussion so we're not going to get back into it. We're not going

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to get back into it. Just to say this real quick there's a difference between race white and Donald

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump one Donald Trump can get media, race white can't so I'm just going to end it at that.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey we agree there I mean you know. Becky you're not I don't know where Becky went.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry I knocked out my charger again and light went off and it's been a whole little bit

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: chaos over here. Moving us into I want to try a little bit of a background game. We we hit on

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: in a little bit briefly but Minnesota at one point was was on the list of in play right I mean this

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: was something that the Trump campaign had said maybe not in play across the board. The Trump campaign

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: had said we were on the periphery we were in a second top second tier of states that they thought

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: that they could make some inroads. Now there's some interesting claims here so reading some articles

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and doing some prep for this it appears that the Trump campaign claim that there are 13 offices in

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Minnesota feel free to disagree if you want to my understanding those RBPU offices that have

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump signs have Trump literature and certainly have volunteers doing Trump work

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_04]: along with up and down the ticket. They the Republican party did recently say that it's

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: trained 1400 Trump force volunteer captains with 400 of them just trained in Alaska a week.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Again I feel like this is is folks certainly going to Republican party trainings ready to

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: or knock up and down the ballot. I just don't see the infrastructure on the Trump side before

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I move on to DFL anybody disagree. Can I ask a question before page jumps in?

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Again I've been Doris Harris and walls. I will have to say yeah but I want to be as fair as again

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that would count as an office. I mean if there I'm at a loss to figure out I mean

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a lot of times that the party head offices that would count as an office is the claim

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that because their BPU office they're not actually a storefront political office.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're not paid for they're not part of the actual infrastructure that was meant to well.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay so it's staff that are paid by the Trump team. So like in 2020 we certainly had offices

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: whose rent and utilities were paid by the Trump team who staffed were paid by the Trump team

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and who were obviously still did have down ballot literature and did function with the joint

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: BPU use. I think it's just a matter of kind of logistics of who's whether it's Trump stuff at a

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: BPU office or BPU used to have that a Trump office. I mean I want Trump to lose. I want to lose

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: every state but I I want to be fair. I would consider that to be

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: an office that they could use but that's potato to put on the government.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks certainly can you say I think my argument here is that I don't believe that the

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump campaign Trump national has sent any thousands of dollars into the state of Minnesota

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to support having these offices. I think those offices would exist regardless. Whereas on the

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: DFL side the Harris campaign has 24 paid offices with a hundred paid staffers in the state of

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the United States. That's very significant.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That's very significant.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That's very significant.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The Harris and the what you both saw in 2020 that's a that's a contrast.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: 2020 was very impressive in Minnesota I was Executive Director of the state party at that time

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: what the Trump campaign had in the state of the point texture was the state director.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They what they had what they did on a daily weekly basis in terms of numbers of tax and phone calls

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: indoors was a full fledged presidential campaign on the ground in Minnesota.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And for a year or a where is what you're seeing and what what are you seeing in the

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: states? Do you have any contacts you could provide?

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I I know what they have in other states so in Wisconsin they have a state director.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I they have a state director here as well but they actually have paid field staff.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I guess the problem is that in 2024 just to like come back a little bit.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very different from 2020 when the RNC you had an entire infrastructure that they had built

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: they had created this based off of OFA which was you know Obama's ground game that they

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: built in 2012 for its real action. Republicans are taking that perfect in it started right at

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: 2014 had built it out to a point where you know you could drop in you know a state director

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: RFD's field staff and have a full fledged statewide operation with offices

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: everything. All of that got scrapped when they booted around a

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like clear house at the RNC in DC at headquarters all of that got completely

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: decimated. So that doesn't exist anymore essentially what they've done is that they taken

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: what should have been that infrastructure for a field program and they have co-opted it

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: in some fashion for election integrity. And so that's what a lot of this now is that infrastructure.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Tip Becky's point I think we spent I think 20 million Minnesota or something like that.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: In 2020 I don't think they were even planning to spend five. I mean I don't know

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had those conversations with folks but I couldn't imagine that they were going to

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: even spend five in Minnesota even when they were planning to roll things out.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you guys so then you wouldn't write it right after your election right to January

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: six. Did you guys just all go out together? Were you all like in a care family? You took over

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the Capitol and how did that all of that? Did you guys just was there per DMs? How did that work?

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually in the middle of a wee like, like construction in my house when that was point

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: on to. I know no one was at the incident. For the record I quit.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I was dead. I'm gonna end it but.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. I don't remember. Yes okay. I got it point.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Do you want to move on to because this is kind of what we're seeing nationally as well?

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump campaign there are concerns of the lack of Trump infrastructure in the ground game

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and it seems a lot to be leaning on the Elon Musk America pack.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Canvassers now this is a change from what has been allowed. There's a recent I think FEC ruling

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that allows this joint collaborative effort for campaigns can't, I'm sorry candidates can't

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_04]: pains and outside groups to directly coordinate their canvassing efforts with super packs which is

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of still wild to me of how separate they had to be in the past but they can share

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: a listen data and all sorts of things that's collected in their canvassing efforts. And so

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the the word on the street is that the America pack is out in Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada,

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Obviously those top key states. The pack is paid canvassing

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: firms more than $14 million and one thing before we chat about the Harris efforts on the

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_04]: ground which again significant nationwide is that new as I was reading this is a tactic of the

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: less likely to show up and vote rare voters. What are our thoughts on this?

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It's usually as you were just on the ground, I assume a lot of times in your work we know that

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_04]: we often target the folks who vote our party vote all the time and are going to show up at the

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_04]: polls if they're supporting our person. That's unturgeting those low-prepancy voters. Is it because

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: like you said Trump does have a lower ceiling? Yeah, I mean I think first I will say right

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been an organizer most recently that was really what I was doing was focusing on organizing work and

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an interesting tactic. I don't know that it's worth the money when you're getting

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: outspent by the other campaign so you know, Tomela and Timuels' campaign is outspending Trump

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: advance in pretty much every swing state by a significant margin except Pennsylvania. I don't

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: know that it's going to hold much weight. I could be totally wrong, but I think we all know

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that a lot of the reason a lot of campaigns don't spend money on low-prepensity voters is because

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it costs more to get less and so I think it'd be interesting though right for a race this close

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: in some of those swing states to see if you can up the voter turnout among low-prepensity voters

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and one of the things J.B. Nadjabbi had but just kind of to hit on the Harrison Walls

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: campaign is they actually have an office literally from my window right here I can see it

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and I live in North Minneapolis which historically never gets invested in and pretty much any

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: racist because of how low-prepensity we are specifically in this word at the city. And so I think

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a really interesting strategy. I don't know that it'll pay off. I think historically that

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: our all of our campaign knowledge will say that it otherwise is not a smart strategy but again in

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_03]: a race so close it could be the determining factor and I think that I would like to see if Harrison

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Walls are doing the same thing to see if there's maybe some proof behind the putting that that's

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_04]: actually a viable strategy this time around. Before I get to Michael's Smurks that he's making

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to give him some more ammo by pre-alletting you have the floor on the low-prepensity

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: voters dollar spent for vote here is significantly higher than going towards those reliable votes but

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_04]: they do need to bring in new voters and in 2016 we saw that be successful for Trump right?

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, I think even before Rona was unsurrened, you know, let go.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That is something that the R&C was trying to move towards. You kind of thought with their

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: bank the vote now swamped the vote kind of campaign that they're going. They're pushing

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: form right now which is trying to get those hyperpensity so I'll get a little inside baseball

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: here, you know, the four out of four voters, you know, the ones you can rely on. We count on

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to vote every presidential they'll go to every primary, it'll vote in every primary for

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: presidential years and general elections. Making sure that those folks are going out they're

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: casting early ballots whether it's in person or absentee, getting them out the door so they

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: can focus on these low-prepensity voters. That's something that the R&C was shifting towards even

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was there in 18 and 20. And so I think that's something that they have been trying to do for

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the last couple of cycles because to your point back, it is those low-prepensity voters.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The ones that maybe come out that need a little bit of a nudge. Those are the ones that get them

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: across the finish line in key areas and it can help make the difference down ballot as well. And so

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that it is an interesting strategy. It's a strategy that has worked for them

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: key races in the past. And it'll be interesting to see how especially in the current

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: environment from an infrastructure standpoint that the Trump campaign has found themselves in,

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: how that will work. But it is something that has proven to work for a public end before.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's something that's worked well for Trump himself and I think if they're able to execute on it

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it should pay off whether or not that translates to victory as a whole mother conversation.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, you've been around the game for a long time. Those low-prepensity voters

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_04]: not the most reliable. What do you think about that? I think she just called the old Michael. I don't know

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I did shoot it yes. I really kind. I can't believe I'm saying I agree with that in praise that

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes sense. And I would also say to you as someone who wants the once Republicans to succeed

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like them. I'd like the contrast that that pray offered in explaining it because I think it's

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_00]: one of those kind of simple kind of blocking and tackling balls and strike side things that need to

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: happen. I think it's important to do what I was actually gigalling at at the beginning was

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Julius described himself as a community organizer and it reminded me of the greatest the greatest

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_00]: sign-in ever sought of political event because during the O8 race President Obama was known as a

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: sign-in to appear to other parts of the country but I was at an pale in event and someone had a

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_00]: sign that said Charles Manson was a community organizer too. I that's feared into my brain

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and every time I hear the phrase community organizer I just giggle and I have to be better because

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: we're not live streaming these and all of those teachers that I had growing up that said I was

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: ram bunkers and couldn't stay in my seat it's not happening on live it's not happening on

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: live streaming because I just can't it's just like I want to punch the screen I want to get

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: mad at pray I want to throw stuff out the wall and I simultaneously want to giggle so I got

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to do better job that's why it was giggling community organizer because I love it. He's grabbing

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_04]: himself by Charles Manson yeah we're one of the same basically Michael Gregor compares podcast

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: to Charles Manson when it gives some props to the Harris campaign and they certainly are doing

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_04]: have a very robust ground game 300 and 20 offices more than 2000 paid staff

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: a little bit different on this side there outside groups are spending a lot of money on the advertising

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_04]: side they are in track to spend nearly 175 million more than Trump's campaign so not just 175

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: 175 million more than Trump's campaign and so far has outspent to the one essentially entered

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the race Michael I want to be responsible with the use of this platform to push my personal agenda

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_00]: but there is one thing I wanted to note which was I do think that there and I think it's

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: something we could talk about what I'm interested about like from the grassroots perspective

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: is the amount and there's been a pretty consistent study drip it made we could talk about

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: about Republicans conservatives that are voting for Harris and I throw it out not to be argumentative

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but to see is there any comparable effort on the Trump side and I'm doing that's not to be a

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: smart ass but purely informational because I do think some of that grassroots stuff is helpful

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: is there's some of that type of coalition stuff that's happening on the other side

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because I just hadn't seen it gotten get much traction. I think all the coalition stuff got scrapped

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: when the RNC did okay I mean because they did have a very like you know Becky can attest to this

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: very robust coalitions movement in entire strategic initiative department that was focused on

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like literally putting offices in you know downtown Milwaukee geared towards Hispanic voters

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and black voters putting his Hispanic office in Omaha you know putting Jewish offices I think

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the Northeast I think in Pennsylvania in New York I'm trying to think of what else we had

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: veterans LGBTQ I'm trying to think of what else in addition to even the offices they did a lot

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: themed bus tours we did had big Asian American weeks in Lainchau would come out

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: beyond bus tours going to places where we spent a lot of time in North St. Paul

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: making sure going into those communities having those conversations having the interviews

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: it was a really big thing in 2020 the sportsman's the veterans the college students see

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: face like faith organizations it was a really big part and I think it's a really important

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: part I think that a lot of times especially especially when you look also look at some

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: low-prepensity voters finding that hook that's going to be how they connect to a candidate or a

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: party I think is a really important thing just in any sort of organizations from the party infrastructure

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to candidates it's a way to to show that you they can find a similar everybody wants a community right

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: everybody wants to be find some folks that are like them for a reason and it doesn't always

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_04]: come down to a policy fact it comes down to people who have similar values from their faith or

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: from their upbringing and an immigrant household whatever that might look like so I do it's really

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_04]: important I don't think we're seeing that currently from the Trump campaign or from the RNC and

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_04]: as Priya's alluded to there's been a lot that has gone on with the RNC and around a leaving

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and everything kind of being a little bit in shambles there. Any last thoughts on ground game before

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_04]: we move on. I want to make one quick plug where running conversations been too good so we're

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: running a little late on time and I want to make sure we leave a good chunk of time to talk about

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_04]: debate review so I just want to make one quick plug we talked already about early voting open in

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Minnesota you can go to Minnesotavote.gov to find out your voter status to register to request

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_04]: your ballot all of the good things we also talked about Taylor Swift and her endorsement of the

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Harris campaign and the voter registration flurry that came from that one thing I just wanted to

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_04]: plug that secretary of state Steve Simon in his office came out with recently is between September

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: 9th and September 12th so post a debate post Taylor Swift endorsement in those three days

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the secretary of state's office recorded 20,000 new registrations to vote in Minnesota on that

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_04]: September 12th date the two days after the debate 13,000 people completed their registration one

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_04]: day in the week prior the secretary of state's office got 1300 so 10,000 more people after the Taylor

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Swift and her push because her big thing obviously and supporting Harris was go registered

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_04]: a vote and she subsequently did that on the VMA stage she's done that in multiple times and I just

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: regard this as whether you like her like her politics like her endorsing whether you believe

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that celebrity should endorse political opponents I applied anybody who chooses a reason to

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_04]: get registered to vote and hopefully whether all or even 5% of those folks actually show up

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and vote in November it's a win across the board so yeah you press if you want maybe one who

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_00]: apologized for some past remarks I don't know I still stand by that and test it can be a

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: word and test like I knew you what I'm so proud of you. Thunder first that but I also will say

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that of those 20,000 how many of them were actually just 18 year olds that were probably

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: good all options or that were going to register day up right like it is or these actual like

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: new new voters or they new voters because they like it's their first time I always have a skepticism

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: prayers always. And well also Republicans that support the one Taylor Swift that also

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: probably probably went and registered a vote as well because of it so I mean whatever their reason

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm going to guess that those 20,000 were probably going to register to vote at some point

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor Swift probably just gave them the bump to do it before. Tell me that that's had Trimbo noise here

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: as the resident DFLR and prayers the resident Republican we can agree that the healthy skepticism

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: about Taylor Swift is warranted so I agree. Well take it I agree I agree I agree I agree I agree I

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: would have reason I'm a need to be about it or register for the paper but I agree really

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you the same advice may God ever send your soul because that surprise prayer has

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: been to take it out for her last comment that she gave I would not want to make those with mad.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: No we're going to skip over the Jill Biden cabinet meeting. It's a kind of funny story it's

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_04]: not great who's leading our country yet to be determined only a couple more months to turn it over

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to a new president now on to debate preview. We are going to have our first and likely only vice

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_04]: presidential debate on October 1st 8 p.m. Central it is hosted by CBS in New York City moderated

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: by CBS evening news anchor Norl Donald and Margaret Brennan from face nation not much available

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: on the rules to be surprising I don't know if they're still hatching them out. I got to say

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I spent at least 20 minutes today trying to figure out are the mics going to be voted muted

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: are we having an in actual audience what's going to go on it's 90 minutes it's going to be exciting

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: some are saying it might be the most important vice presidential debate in history.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Are we excited I'm pretty excited. I'm I'm overjoyed I'm so excited I love debates and

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I love debates love debates. Before we get into the tactics of it I want to chat about

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the prep work that both sides are doing namely the hashtag local angle here with the Republican

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: side of things Minnesota's own time emmer whose third and control or third and in leadership

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_04]: in the house he is playing Tim walls in prep with fans. I don't think it's super surprising I think

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I again spent a good chunk of my 10 plus years working in Republican politics working

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: for Tom and I think he is a great divider I think he's super knowledgeable and he has a very

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_04]: he spent a lot of time with Tim walls he knows a lot about him they have similar upbringing both

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_04]: dads both coaches both have kind of that all shocks G with Minnesota type of persona at times

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's exciting I wish I could be out of fly in the wall I also wish I could be a fly in the

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_04]: wall for the Democrats side we have mayor Pete probably not it's probably a little rude to

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: come still call a mayor Pete transportation secretary Pete booted jage is standing in for

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_04]: events with uh with prepping Tim walls he has been a great divider in the past as well so I think

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that that is both sides I can imagine how great they are going to be um any any that's on the debate

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: prep what we're seeing and then we'll get into kind of what we can expect.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say in the prep that when I heard that congressman emmer was the divey product I was kind

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_00]: oh man that's good because I want obviously I want Harris I want walls to succeed but I'm also

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so I want here I want walls to win because he's going up against vans but the fact that emmer is doing it

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like my goodness I mean I just because we're the breakdown our show is very much

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_00]: pro hammer and so I you know but I just I want him to succeed but I also want walls to win so

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm torn on the prep I'm torn in the prep yes so I'm going to bring this uh spicy take I just

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I do not like Tom emmer so I'm glad we have at least no balance to pin you really oh my gosh all right

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: can I honest let me give you my honest opinion when I saw this Tom emmer who couldn't message

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to be walls in two general elections for governor and couldn't do anything when he was

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: chair or what they overlap for two terms they couldn't beat him in the in the south metro

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and a republican district while he was I mean I'm sorry south of the state in a republican

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: district they're going to put up that guy to try and message against him walls he's never

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: won an election against him as the chair of the as a chair as uh I'm sorry in congress when

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: he was trying to help run against him in like the gubernatorial races when he was helping those

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: campaigns I'm sorry I think that's so boring and dumb it's like I get I get and maybe it's just

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: my personal distaste I'm sorry this is not meant to be disrespectful to Tom emmer I just don't

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_03]: think that he is a good option just because he's like a geoshocks like kind of guy it's like

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: jadevance it's jadevance is such a smug like debater in the way that he talks I just don't think

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that having a guy who's lost to Tom emmer and multiple occasions or I mean I'm sorry to Tim walls

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and multiple occasions whether directly or indirectly is the perfect fit for jadevance to have

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_03]: prep in and sorry I know you're you guys all look pissed I'm sorry you're not one Julius I was

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I was assuming at the end but you guys go ahead first. Brann go for it. I was like I was just going

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to say you can't blame Tom emmer for the shortcomings of actual criminal no I'm not blaming

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: so I don't you can say that like his message is failing there because Tom emmer was successful

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: very successful in our cc chair so I will say like nationally his message has been stolen and if

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: there is anyone in the entire country who can emulate Tim walls probably as well if not better than

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim walls himself it's probably Tom emmer. On the website I will say that Mayor Pete and I have no

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: qualms about calling him Mayor Pete back he killed forever be Mayor Pete that man almost got murdered

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: on live TV by Amy Kogashar in 2020 during the dinner costs debate so I mean like if we're

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna talk about like strengths of debate opponents here Tim walls should be the one that should be

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the most concerned because Mayor Pete couldn't handle the one minutes out and you went up again

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: sell wait okay hold on hold on I want to I really love the spiciness of this debate right now and

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I am actually enjoying it which is why I'm responding away because you were an interlead a good

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: intellectual opponent you really give me some hard jabs here but I just want since I think first of

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: all Mayor Pete did not get murdered by Amy Kogashar in fact she was so impressed that he was

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: doing better than her and debating better than her that he like attacked him on stage for being

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: just a small town mayor so I just want to point out that I just want to point out that Amy

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Kogashar was so offended by Mayor Pete's presence and ability to be a national player Pete has

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: only one thing while in that was fail upwards I mean the fact that he got killed by my god

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: mayor to fail presidential candidate failed statewide candidate in Indiana out of all places

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then managed to lock into a role as transportation secretary but you could manage the transportation

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: in your small town in Indiana out of all places like his whole career is just quite laughable

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but I okay well I'll come back to that at another point but yeah I just want to point out

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: South Bend Mayor to very serious presidential candidate there is pretty legit but what I will say

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: about the debate prep about mayor Pete as I think he actually emulates J.D. Vance Well because I think

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: they actually have like a very I don't want this to sound rude but like a very Ivy League way of

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: speaking they're very like monotone mostly in the way that they convey themselves they don't get

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: over the emotional they stay on message really well I actually think J.D. Vance is very smart do I

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like him that's a different story but I think he's a very good debater and I think the problem

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that walls has as he needs to be able to to debate someone that comes off as maybe a lot more

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: intellectual versus yeah so that's why I actually think Pete is a very good debate prep

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: part mayor Pete mayor I call him mayor Pete I like I mean I want to talk about Pete

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: oh they're bad things but I think but that's what I will say about Mayor Pete is that I think he

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: emulates J.D. Vance very similarly and you know so that's why I think that that actually did debate

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: partner and I want to say and I'll end with this I am not coming a time and we're personally

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: okay but I would just like to say I don't think that he emulates Tim walls

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: quite as well as maybe Mayor Pete would with J.D. Vance but that's just my thing no Hayes

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to tell him that is I think a fair opponent and hey we have you guys on to push back on us

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and each other all that's why are you here one thing that I actually do think is what time

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: or will be really great at in this is and I kind of this is reports say that Vance has been

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: watching previous walls debates with a goal of going into destroy walls as moderate image

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that is what he needs to do I think that is what he certainly should go into this and

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and paint walls is not the moderate dad coat termaromenosota but instead of our left extremist

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I would say that would be my tips if I was in the room but one thing that I think I want to chat

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: about the kind of attitude in persona we saw Kamala Harris be so successful at baiting Donald

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump. I would argue that Tim walls is going to go in with the same kind of goal to bait J.D. Vance

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: to distract him to get him talking about the cats and dogs to get him talking about the child

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: to get him not only will he ask them those questions and probably the moderators too

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think he's going to try to get him to spend time on things other than the economy

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: other than walls is referred and everything of that sort on the flip side and feel for it

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: a degree to disagree but while Tim walls has been very successful on the campaign trail painting

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: himself as this so likable again coach and father which I think is going to be a strong suit.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's going to lean into that bio I think he just like Harris is going to really lean into

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: his time as a teacher, as a coach and everything that he's learned in every way he can tie that

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: into anything called policy but what I think that Vance should do and will do is he's going

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: to try to poke them we have seen in multiple occasions in particular even just this morning

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the morning take a boy so he's talking about about the farm fest debate between Scotch Edson

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and Tim walls walls doesn't like to be pushed and he has not been pushed very much lately because

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: again lack of interviews in my perspective but I think that this is going to be something where

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: J.D. Vance is going to try to fire him up he's going to find some of those big points he's

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: going to try to fire him up and he's going to show people that Tim walls can be a pissed off old man

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's something that I think Tom Emern debate prep is going to be able to emulate very well

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: because I love Tom Emern but he knows how to be a pissed off old white man when he needs to

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think he's going to be able to show that Tim walls side when in the prep I think they're

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: going to find those they're going to have five different spots of topics that they're going to push

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: them whether it's feeding our future, whether it's the riots, whether it's tampon Tim, whatever

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: ridiculous thing you want to do they are going to find those spots they are going to find the

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: weakness and at least once I think we're going to see a fired up red faced Tim walls.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope we see it I hope it happens because I think what yeah I hope there's I think it's great

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think walls does passion and enthusiasm I think if walls doesn't go on the stage

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and lead with passion and enthusiasm and embrace it and channel it I'll be just disappointed

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be fired up I think he needs to be energetic I think the coach is going to

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: be on the stage and this is the problem let me just let me just say this to you first of all let me

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: just put a pin in the Emercum rotation. I think Emern is the absolute perfect person to do

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the debate for very much of the same reasons that Becky brought up having known Tom Emern for a

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: long time it had a wide variety of conversations with him over the years Tom Emern is can be can be

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: he can be pointed it's the full range of things and I think what the most in looking at

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: debate prep what I think that advance needs to modulate on and be prepared for is walls coming

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: on stage and being enthusiastic and what we've talked about Becky and we know this separately

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: from our interactions with Emern but we've talked about he's that Emern's that coach we've

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about he's that kind of hockey kind of coach mentality and that kind of persona that he has

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that rarerop pick me up type messages that level of enthusiasm is very similar between

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: walls and Emern so looking for someone to emulate that I think Emern is a great pick.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: The problem that I think that walls is going to have is now I shouldn't say the problem that

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: walls is going to have is is I think the problem that the Trump campaign is going to have I

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: mean the exact opposite is JD Vance is an intellect he's intellectual nothing wrong with that

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but I can tell you something are more people going to be interested in voting someone that went to

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Harvard or someone who's the the hometown coach and this is why it's a deal if JD Vance is so smart

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: if JD Vance is so such a good politician why has he been such a failure as the VP pick?

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is he considered consistently messaging like he does? This guy couldn't hit water if he

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: thought of a boat when it comes to some of his message and so if he's still smart if he's still

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: skilled why has he not succeeded? I honestly my expectation is is that I think Vance is going to

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: come out hard at walls I think walls is going to just grab that energy and talk about I think it's

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be much easier for for Vance for walls to get under Vance's skin than I think it is the

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: other way around because I don't think because I think walls is just a loud energize in enthusiastic

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: political figure and so if he's if he's emotional on stage if he's energized if he's by

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Steve people expect that but you know what would be interesting is can JD Vance keep his cool

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because we certainly know he can't message very well and can I I just want to propose an

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but like adding on top of that into some and maybe expand what the truth might look like a

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: little bit for the both of them going into that debate so I think Michael is right like walls

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: has to go in because one of the few times I'll say that now I'm just kidding but like you know

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: you'll have to you'll have to like see well what I think is when JD Vance talks about abortion

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: heck yeah I want to see Tim walls pissed I want him to go on that stage and say yeah I'm pissed

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: off that you're trying to take a woman's rights to choose I absolutely want to see that and I

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: think a lot of people who don't know both of them are going to see this guy saying he wants

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: you know abortion to be illegal and then this guy that says that's absolutely garbage I want

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I want women to do whatever they want I think walls needs to control but be pissed off at the

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: right times and I think it's going to work well for him if he can direct that passion into like

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: relating to why he's upset about some of the policies that some of the some of the Trump

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: campaign and JD Vance has on the alternate realities JD Vance is an intellectual and I think that

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: he is not going to take the bait the way Trump does he he can't right he can't for the sake of his

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: own campaign but also I think the reality is here and this relates back to the presidential debates

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump does not look presidential he's just like a guy that goes and says what he wants I think JD

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Vance needs to carry the mantle of presidential looking people into that debate and say okay Trump

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: this crazy guy that says whatever he wants maybe JD Vance can be presidential look

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: presidential vice presidential and steer him and look very professional and for the same way that

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Kamala had to look very presidential on the debate stage against Trump which he did well walls

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: needs to be the guy that sounds like I can connect with you on an everyday basis and I can

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: understand your reality so with that being said I think walls he does need to be passionate and

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say again JD will or JD Vance is way too smart to take the bait from walls he's just

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: like he's just too good at what he does he is a good debate or he's a good speaker in general I think

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: so what I think he needs to do is make himself seem

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: relatable and intellectual and and very like vice presidential very like straight and narrow

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and like just get down to the policy of it and not take the bait about things like calling

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you know saying single cat ladies shouldn't you know whatever the case may be so

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: so I think that that's really what they need to do and and

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that if I think I don't think this is the most important vice presidential debate ever but

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it will carry a lot of weight for maybe people who are undecided about the two top candidates

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe they can see the two vice presidential and be like I like that person so I might just do it for

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that reason so that was a great show. I don't think so I think in the era from what's most

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: creative says on her take on how Vance is going to perform and what we can expect from Tim Wallace.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Julius. I have I will say in 2022 I have the pleasure of working in Ohio at the

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: RNC and had the pleasure of being in the room with JD bands and I think that when you look at

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: JD bands as a candidate who ran for Senate in Ohio who ran against a number of different

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: personalities and folks from different backgrounds he despite some of the trouble that they had in

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning was able to come out on top and able to take on Tim Ryan and defeat him handively

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to become Senator. I think there's a reason why his book was so popular

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and why he was able to get as much more recognition as he did from his book. I think that at the end of

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the day, JD bands isn't intellectual but he's also a military guy and he's a guy that grew up in

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: after property with a mom who had a joint problem and has a story unlike anything Tim Wallace had to deal

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: with. And so I think what you're coming what you're ultimately going to see here at the end of the

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: day is somebody who can be both intellectual and can talk about issues at a very basic level

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and can meet people where they're at. And I know that the JD bands that folks are seeing right now

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: since he became the VP nominee is probably not really representative of that but I do think

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: if that JD bands who showed up in that Ohio Senate race against Tim Ryan shows up on that debate

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: stage, Tim Wallace is an all-all-attribal. Some great points on the round just a few things before we wrap

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: up here. There was, you know, Wallace was on with Rachel Maddow famously during the

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Wind and Taylor Swift endorsement came down but when he was on with with Maddow,

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: we're after the presidential debate in September, he said it was talking about this and said

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: look, he's a Yale guy. I'm a public school teacher so we know where he's at on that. I fully expect

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that Senator Vance as a United States Senator and Yale Law guy, he'll come while prepared.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this setting expectations a little bit that he might, yeah, Michael you're not in the

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: long? Absolutely setting expectations. I think there's an expectation and I will just say to you,

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's two, there are two, there's a, I don't think people vote for president

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: based on who the vice presidential pick is. I do think it complements. I will also say to you

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: though that I do think, and we can talk about later point, I think some of that polling is dated because

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: more information is coming to voters. We know more about elections than we do,

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we've known in the past. There's more information. We're literally doing a podcast right now talking

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: about the vice presidential debate. So I think that there may be some new polling on that

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that we should look at sometime down the road, but I do think he's setting expectations. I also

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: will say this to you. If you look at polling by every available measure, Vance is polling

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: less than Tim Walsh. Tim Walsh's favorabilities are higher. Tim Walsh is in it and so he's been

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: more value added. JD Vance, and I agree with Brad, I don't want to pound on the guy too much,

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but there has been a lot of criticism about his selection. There's been a number of stories

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: or whether he was going to be replaced on the ticket. And so the JD Vance that, that Praya's talking

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: about has really not entered into the stage has really not a part of the national discussion.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But I do hear a number of stories that people talking about. I think the debate is significance

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because I think that JD Vance needs to make up some ground with Walsh. And so I think Walsh

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: says every, I think JD Vance has certainly more a lot to lose in this debate and falling back.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he has to form, I think the expectation is that JD Vance has to get it out of the park.

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that the expectations on him.

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Do we think? So so Kamala Harris over the weekend said that she agreed, let's do another scene

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and debate in October. Do we think that if Vance performs poorly, that that would change

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump's mind for a second debate. Praya, no. No, no less.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm tempted to say no, right? But it's like if your ticket both does really pat in the debates or

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: is perceived as really bad at you. I don't know how you recover from that without doing another debate.

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But my general belief is that probably likely not. Michael.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You answered the question. You asked the question in a great way. I don't think it does. But

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I still believe that there's a possibility there's another debate. I think it's too

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: enticing of the stage for Trump to totally pass on and so I'm, I think there's still a chance that

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a debate. I think it could change his mind. I think if Vance performs and does

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: this poorly as Trump did in the last debate, I don't think that Trump would want his ego to have

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that be the narrative coming out of early October. I think that he thinks that he was, you know,

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: it was rigged against him and whatever it was the last time around. I think that I could see it

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: changing his mind. Well, they're he would say it was the reason it changed his mind. I don't know.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But I could see a poor Vance performance leading to another presidential debate.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So wrapping up our favorite topic of the week, uh, football, CBS Pickham's League, I had another

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: rough week. Um, however, it only just trailing. I am entitled for second place. Michael, yes,

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you are on top. We are very glad. Prayer, we're getting you in this next year. Uh, Julius,

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I got to, got to throw Julius in the bus a little bit though. You're down there. I mean,

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you're tied for six. There's, if there's the number of you. But I was, I was tied for third.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a rough week like you. We have a lot of football left. Um, so man, this week was a lot of

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: more points than us. It's still two more. I mean, and pray if next season you have to join.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to join the Pickham League. Um, and it's great. Yeah. No, I'm winning. I also, uh,

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: won a big, uh, big in my family fantasy football league. I got to rub it into my brother and

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: long. Uh, I won in a last second, uh, last second touched on last night. Big win never doubted

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: myself for a second. And so I'm, I'm a double winner this week. So proud of you. Great.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to be happy that Becky can get her picks in. You know, I am doing great three for three.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's keep it going this week is my week. Um, my dog behind me knows that we're wrapping up here shortly.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, before Michael does closing, I just want to give one last pitch, Min post dot com slash

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: festival join us on Saturday promo code breakdown. Hope to see you there.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say closing one last time. Pray yeah, truly is Becky. Thank you so much for

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: doing this. This is one of the highlights. Um, I just absolutely love doing this podcast and pray

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: out and just you guys throw the heat. And I'm going to tell you something it's just wonderful to see

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you guys are a you guys are at the top of your game. I hope you always know that you're welcome back.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, definitely invite you to come back. But I just wanted to thank you for being a part of this

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: discussion because it is so important in this election cycle that people talk and people disagree. And

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that's pray I make faces sometimes if you say things. But that's because I care and because you're

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: saying things that are important and I disagree. But I'll work on that because I guarantee my

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: mom is watching and she'll tell me that I need to work on that. But I just want to say to everyone,

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: thank you so much for this opportunity and also to you Becky. Okay, really appreciate doing this.

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