A break down about the primary election and the Democratic National Convention

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to The Breakdown with Brodkorb and Becky, a weekly podcast that breaks down politics, policy, and current affairs. I'm Becky Scherr.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Michael Brodkorb.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We are back live ahead again to recap last week's primary and get into all things DNC Convention. Today we are joined by Julius Hernandez. Julius is a self-proclaimed policy nerd who serves as the Director of Advocacy for the Institute of Digital Humanity.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He has been heavily involved in DFL politics over the last few years, working on races from the Minneapolis City Council, state legislature, all the way up to Congress.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He was also recently working on the Don Samuels campaign in an effort to defeat Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Julius is also co-chair of the Ham Caucus and fully supports ham as a superior holiday meat versus turkey.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Come on!

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We will kick things off by hitting on the not all-too-surprising primary election results, which included shenanigans in CD7 where Congresswoman Fischbach dominated, confusion in CD2 where Taylor Rahm was denied, Omar coming out on top, and Royce White being confirmed as a GOP candidate up against Amy Klobuchar.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But the bulk of our show will be to preview and discuss the DNC Convention that started yesterday in Chicago.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: We will break down the enthusiasm around the convention's first day, which included a speech from President Biden, and discuss the important roles of some of Minnesotans' own have at the convention.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We will get into some of the notable Republicans attending and speaking.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And we will hit on the anti-Israel protests and what impact it may have on the convention and the party.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And we will end with what we can expect in the upcoming days of the convention.

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[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a good conversation.

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[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll discuss more about what to expect, some guests, and what the topics of conversation will

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: be.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But first, we are going to start with a primary recap.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Last week was Minnesota's primary election.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And while there weren't too many surprises, we want to break down some of the results.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So I want to start with the top of the ticket.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: We are stuck with Royce White.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: White got almost 39% of the vote to Frazier's 29% of the vote.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it's always a little sad when the person who wins a primary doesn't even surpass 40%.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But initial takes on this.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Julius, you've been watching this from afar.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts on Royce White as the GOP candidate for Senate?

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's super interesting because I have gotten to my fair share of Twitter fights with Royce

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: White, which seems to be the norm these days in Minnesota.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody has.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it seems to be the norm these days.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, it's like figuring out the GOP has a lot.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The MNGOP has a lot of stuff to figure out, right?

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: What this is going to be, 19 statewide races in a row that you guys will lose.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And it'll probably be the worst one on record for the GOP, I'd imagine.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just doesn't make sense to me, actually, that someone as aggressively anti-Semitic and

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: controversial and misogynistic is the top of the ticket here in Minnesota.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And even looking beyond that, for Donald Trump, who thinks that he's competitive in this state,

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: generally, these candidates are going to be the ones that kind of drag you over the finish

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: line.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't seem like that's going to be the case.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is worst case scenario for them and GOP.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope that you guys figure it out soon because two strong parties is good for democracy,

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but not when Royce White's the top of the ticket here.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, we've talked a lot about the potential impact that Royce White at the top of the ticket,

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: aside from obviously Donald Trump may have on down ballot.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Were you surprised that he won by almost 10%?

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I was disappointed.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was disappointed.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not surprised, but disappointed.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: What I will say is the closeness of the race between White and Frazier showed that if some

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans, and I'm going to name, not name them, but if some Republicans had stepped up

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and showed and offered some institutional support to Royce, to Frazier, I think he would

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: have gone over, could have gone over the finish line.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that this is going to be for part of the post-election autopsy.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be, I don't see any value.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see that Royce White is going to be value added to the Republican ticket in any

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: way, shape or form.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be a distraction.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be a team player.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to cost Republicans opportunities in potentially some legislative races.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really sad.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really sad.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, as Becky, as we've talked about before, it's, there's, this is really a time

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: for Republicans like me to make some decisions about the party apparatus and what we want

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: to get involved in and I've committed myself to start getting more involved in the party

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: process because Republicans, again, Republicans like me who have a podcast and sit behind a

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: keyboard can't just complain the whole time.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Royce White was endorsed through the party process.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not any evidence that there was any cheating, monkey shines, tomfoolery or any

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: of those types of games that was done.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just sad.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's sad for the party.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, it's really unfortunate because again, I'm not saying that Klobuchar has

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: done anything that requires her to be voted out of office, but Becky, as you and I discussed

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and Julius, I'd like to get your take on this.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big believer in campaigns.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They say a lot of times that they've said someone smarter than me once said that legislatures

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: are the laboratories of democracy.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that campaigns can be those types of opportunities.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They can be those types of places where we can have discussions and good ideas can come

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: out of them.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't see how Royce White is going to be value added in any way to the Republican

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: ticket.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't understand how this state will be better because Royce White was traveling

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the state talking about things.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: His rhetoric is bigoted, anti-Semitic, misogynistic.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He is a schoolyard bully and he is masquerading himself as some intellect when he's nothing

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: more than a bully.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's unfortunate and sad and Republicans have to start taking elections more seriously.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree with you, right?

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the Minnesota delegation, David Hahn should have bucked the endorsement and backed Frazier.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think Minnesota, we have such a I'm from Chicago.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Originally, we don't do endorsements there in Illinois, but like the endorsement process

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: here is so important.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes you have people and I'll get into it.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I worked for Don Samuels, but I'll get into it then as well.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes the people that you get the endorsement are not representative of the majority of people

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that will identify with that party.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I know there are really good Republicans in the state of Minnesota that do that fundamentally

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: disagree with who Royce White is, what he says.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And those people don't want to show up because they're so embarrassed or they're so frustrated

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: by the direction of the party and that no one came out in support of Frazier.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And listen, I have my problems with Republicans and the party, even the M&GOP.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's really tough to have someone like Royce White at the top of your ticket,

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: not only to say, hey, we are turning the corner and getting rid of extremism, but to energize

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Republicans in this state who have a really bad losing record and say, hey, maybe we can

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: turn the corner.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Amy Klobuchar is not going to lose.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's just the reality of it.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's vulnerabilities or other places, in my personal opinion, for the DFL that that

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: you guys can capitalize on.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And having Royce White as the figurehead is just going to be controversy after controversy in

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the national and local news versus like legitimate policy conversations, like Michael was saying.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Campaigns need to be serious policy conversation, the referendums on what the country should

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: look like.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And Royce White isn't going to bring that.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So Becky, when did Jason Lewis run for the U.S.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Senate?

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: In 2020.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a perfect example.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Jason Lewis and I disagree a lot about politics, but Jason Lewis was value added to the ticket

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: in the sense that he was running in.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He was running and he could be a part of the team.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He could he would complement the message that Republicans had.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He was in essence, he could play well in the sandbox together.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: He can be part of a statewide tour.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He could arguably be value added to the and complement the entire Republican message,

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: even though I disagree with him on his politics and some of his policies.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't make the case that Jason Lewis wasn't value added to the ticket.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And just that kind of ability to just I don't see that with Royce White.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the challenge that Republicans are going to have, I don't want to belabor this

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: point too much because we've talked about Royce White a lot.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But the challenge is that Republicans have a thin landing strip and the thin landing strip.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They have a little thin balance beam they got to land on.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And having Royce White a part of it is it just creates difficulty in the environment for Republicans

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to succeed.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think one thing that we're seeing and probably we hear more about is right now it's

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: not about it.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's obviously about who we can bring over to vote for Republicans, but also making sure

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: we're not turning people away.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's something that I think Royce White does.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where we have potential to see the impact down ballot.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think after we get through the election, we'll have more conversations about the endorsement

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because we also if we look at CD2 and CD7, I think there are two situations where some

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of let's call them some shenanigans around the endorsement process played a role.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And there were primaries in both of these seats.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: CD2, it was Tayrab versus Rahm.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Rahm was the endorsed candidate who then supposedly dropped out of the race to work for Trump's

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: campaign here in Minnesota, but did not make an official announcement, did not pull his

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: website lit and signs were still going up.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we talked a little bit about it last week in our primary election preview that there

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: were some thoughts that Rahm may come out successful.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And if that's then he would be the guy.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: That was very much not the case.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Tayrab won 76% of the votes with Rahm getting just 24%.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, we've talked a lot about this.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Was is 24% for Rahm lower than you anticipated?

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: What it shows to me is this.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It shows to me that there was a coordinated effort for him to still campaign.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Rahm, what I will assign responsibility to Rahm for is not speaking out publicly.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so his lack of public statement, disavowing it means to me that he was complicit in some

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: way.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's unfortunate.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's unfortunate because it created, I think, some confusion.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It created a lot of legitimate questions about what was going on in the race.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a waste of time.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is why Republicans can't have nice things.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's unfortunate.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm saying that as someone who I voted for.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I have voted for Angie Craig in the past.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So this isn't a situation where I'm just saying is, and Specky, we've talked about this before.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The entire apparatus of the Democratic National Committee pivoted around when Biden dropped

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: out and coalesced around Kamala Harris.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And in the second congressional district, we can't get campaigns to get on the same page

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: as to whether a candidate is running or not.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason why.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my frustration.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll obviously be talking more about CD2 moving forward.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It is still a top battleground district in the country.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It's, I think, still lean.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's lean Democrat right now favoring Angie Craig.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: We've had the opportunity to speak to Joe Tayrab.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we will chat more about that going forward.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Just briefly mention Congresswoman Fishbach, CD7 did not endorse.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a wild thing.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: She is a great congresswoman.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: She is a true conservative.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She is a great fighter for that district and represents it so well.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And dominated.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She won by 30% over Steve Boyd.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So this was a great win.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Not that it's going to change anything.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There's still going to be the Fishbach haters in CD7.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But congratulations to Congresswoman Fishbach.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: She deserves another term.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm excited to hopefully chat with her again soon.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But now I want to chat right before we get into the convention briefly about the rematch in CD5 between Congresswoman Omar and Don Samuels.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We've had the opportunity to speak with Don Samuels twice on this podcast.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael and I have been very impressed with his passion and his arguments to why he is running and wanting to truly serve.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He is the epitome of what a public servant is.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, do I agree with him on a lot of his policies?

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But he is what, when you look at somebody who is going to serve you, whether it's in city council or Congress, you want somebody accessible and transparent and available.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And he clearly, that was his mission and his goal.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, did not, was not successful in the primary.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But Julius, I want to give you a little opportunity to chat a little bit about your role on the campaign and what you guys did leading up to the primary election.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: First, I have to say, like, you hit the nail on the head.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Don is, in his private life, is when you see him and in his public life, is someone that epitomizes what good leadership is.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And someone who spends his time building bridges, not burning them.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone who tries to put out fires, not ignite them.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And I, man, I have never met someone.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I spent a lot of, I worked in politics for a long time.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I spent a lot of time around local elected officials.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've gotten to meet a lot of national, like, elected officials.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And this guy is just the real deal.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so unfortunate that we didn't pull it out.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say this.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a great, we had a great team.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to shout out some people just because I didn't plan this.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But Joe Rodinovich, Sam Schulenberg, James Abelson, Emma Holden, like Nico Woods.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: These are people that gave up a lot to campaign for a guy who is really great against someone who has caused a lot of pain in our community, especially in CD5, right?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a very large Jewish population here.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And when you have a congresswoman that goes around and says students, Jewish students are pro-genocide or anti-genocide and makes the world all black and white on issues that haven't have been as complicated as ever.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Now and in the last 70 years, it's just, it's unfortunate.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say this, like, we, a lot of us were not expecting that result.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Ilhan was either, unfortunately.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And you could see it in the way that she was campaigning.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's really hard to win a race when someone lies about where you're getting your money from.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Or this boogeyman of APAC, we didn't get a single dollar from them.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Saying that we're being funded by Republicans.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I would have got paid a lot more if we had more money.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And also, the other part of it is when you're getting outspent 20 to 1 in ads and 95% of her money was coming from outside of the district.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a beast to compete with.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And to be frank, she should have won by more.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: All the traditional political odds would tell you that someone who raised $6 million to our 1.8, I think we finished with, would say that she should have beat us by 60, 70 points in a primary.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But she didn't.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that goes to show that there's still an appetite for really different leadership.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's hard, again, it's hard to compete with when you're getting outspent 20 to 1 and you're raising 95% of $6 million from outside the state of Minnesota.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Julie, I'd like to get your take on the comments she made at election night, the primary.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: She made some pretty harsh comments.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How usually when someone wins, there's a bit conciliatory, meaning there's an attempt to bring the team together.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Describe from your perspective what she said on election night.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so her exact, I think her, I don't want to say verbatim, but I want to say close to her words were that she described Don as a candidate who was willing to align himself with literal neo-Nazis.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost identical to the term that she, to the words that she used.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: How ridiculous, how absolutely stupid as a sitting congresswoman that you would say 51,000 people who voted against you are literal neo-Nazis.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That is absurd.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's ridiculous.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: To say that 51,000 people in one of the bluest districts in the country are literal neo-Nazis.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, please.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I won't get on my soapbox about it.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's like any other congressperson in the country would say something like that.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They would be hammered for their comments.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It would be in the national press, but no one says anything about it.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think this also speaks to a bigger thing, a bigger issue that we have here in CD5, but I think in general for a lot of more viewed as more progressive candidates,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: is they're insulated by a very small but vocal group that doesn't allow, that gives them double standards, right?

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone else says anything about that to their opponent's supporters, they would be chastised.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But her, she doesn't get any kickback from it, right?

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm not a neo-Nazi.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm freaking, I'm black and Hispanic.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm the furthest thing from it.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just shameful.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's gross.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, it goes to show to her leadership that she is not someone who brings people together and she's not a good leader, right?

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, she didn't win with grace.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She won with anger and division and that's how she's going to keep leading.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe the quote was Nazis, not neo-Nazis.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she literally said, I think she said literal Nazis.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And not that it's a huge difference between neo-Nazi and Nazi, but she just, and you don't usually see that on election night when someone's won.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky, I don't know, in your experience, winning or losing on election night,

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: are you one to, when, if you've written.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't dance in the end zone, right?

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I've written some concession speeches in my day.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: A little dancing, but.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, a little bit, but usually it's a, I want to thank him for the conversation and having, bringing these out and having, bringing important topics back to this.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope we can work together and it's just, it's wild, especially in a primary, right?

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't, this wasn't a Democrat versus Republican.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This was Democrat and it's wild.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And it, one other thing I do want to say, it goes to show the divide in the Democratic Party.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: The GOP has their issues, obviously, but so do we.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And the divide is this really extreme left version of the party and the people that are just like, we just want to get stuff done.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We're sick of the aggression.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: We're sick of the nastiness.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And that goes to show our primary system is, is difficult.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And it brings out the worst, I think, in parties and people sometimes.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe, Julius, after we maybe need to have you back on to talk about that, because I think we'll get into a little bit of some of the division in the party when we chat about the DNC convention.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's something that we talk about a lot.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The kind of common sense Republicans versus far right and certainly is an issue among the left, too.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Common sense like me and Becky has a better food take, so probably common sense.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into that.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: 76 days until the election.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It's soon.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really soon.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: It's coming up fast.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll watch all of these camp races go.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Some, obviously, CD5, not typically a super competitive one.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: CD2 likely to be one of the more competitive ones.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll have future conversations.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But now I want to get into the big news of the week.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: DNC convention kicked off yesterday.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Before we get into who the DNC convention is really about, the Harrison Walls ticket,

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to chat a little bit and give some attention to the other Minnesota players that are at the convention and highlighted this week.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Lieutenant Governor Flanagan was named as one of the four DNC convention chairs.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: The others are Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu, Representative Veronica Escobar.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And so big news.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I don't even know who were the RNC chairs, so not necessarily a big thing that people pay attention to.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But great for Lieutenant Governor Flanagan, especially as Walls is moving up.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: She has a potential to be the governor.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Any thoughts on that from you two?

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Julie, take it away.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's cool.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's cool.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the really exciting things about that is that it's a it's like a diverse like version of who the who the Democratic Party is.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just highlights who we're trying to lift up in leadership, right?

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: A what is it called?

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Native American woman, a black man from New Jersey.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of these people show who the Democratic Party is and like where we're trying to head in the next years as our leadership continues to get younger and more diverse.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's cool.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's cool.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like a big thing.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And Peggy got to go up there and introduce a lot of speakers and get her national profile up as she like probably ends up becoming our governor.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's a close race, but I'd like to think that we're going to pull it out.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, it's really cool.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's also I'm not a native Minnesotan.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's cool to have the pride.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Where are you from?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm from Chicago.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Originally, I was born.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like really exciting to get that Minnesotan like view of the and be like, oh, we're on the world stage or national stage and people are paying attention to all the great things we have to offer.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's really fun.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky, what of the convention did you watch and your thoughts on the opening night?

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I watched Lieutenant Governor Flanagan's Welcome last night.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think we talked about this a little bit with the RNC convention and their goal.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, the Republicans need to are working to do this to change the narrative.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But the Republicans tried to to show diversity.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's certainly like your point, Julius, was absolutely.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They said they're the co-chairs were selected to show the breadth and diversity of the Democratic bench at all levels of government.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And I do think that's great.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So I watched her introductory speech.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I did watch Biden's speech, which we'll get into.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's other than a few clips here and there.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's about what I watched last night.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not really my scene I'm going to watch.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I read a lot about it, but that's about it.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, Noah.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, Becky.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to add DFL chairman Ken Martin is the vice chair of the Democratic National Convention.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Ken Martin and Amy Klobuchar will both be speaking at some point.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And last note of real quick of Minnesota highlighting Minnesota after the walls pick Minnesota delegation was moved front and center next to California.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, Harris's home state, Delaware, Biden's home state, and obviously Pennsylvania, which is one of the key delegations, the key states and battleground states.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Where Martin has teased some big surrogates coming to the Minnesota DFL convention breakfast.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: They have all these sort of events.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So it'll be exciting to see who comes from that.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But overall, it seems the first night very energetic, right?

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a little rowdy.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It was.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: One thing, one point of note.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota was in the front row.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The Republican National Convention, when it was here in Minnesota, I was in the, I didn't have a front row seat.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I second row seat.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was fun to be at the convention, but it's great to see Minnesota near the front.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say to you that I was texting both Republicans and Democrats during the speech, during the night's performance.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And the Democrats that I texted with, some of which were at the convention, were blown away.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And the Republicans that I texted with were a little frustrated, a little concerned.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, in the interest of disclosure, I don't really travel in a pro-Trump crowd, but they are Republicans.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But they're so, I don't, they're not necessarily the red meat Republicans.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So take that with a grain of salt.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say to you that what I thought was so remarkable about the convention, just as someone who has endorsed Harrison, Harrison Walls.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm watching, watching a convention that I'm excited about.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I found that was interesting.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And Becky, I wonder, like to get your take on this for take on this first.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They had an all-star lineup of Democrats through the years, and they're going to have it all through the convention.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was watching that, and when I saw Secretary Clinton go up, and I was going through, and I was, and my kids were watching, and I was watching with them.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And they were talking like, why is she going ahead of Biden, and what is this all about?

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, look, I said, at the Republican convention, there were no former presidents.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: There were no former vice presidents.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: There were no former, there were not that type of institutional support.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the things I think Republicans need to be mindful of is how united the Democratic parties.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I understand that the, I've heard some people go out there and say, having Senator, having Secretary Clinton go out there and speak doesn't really do anything to help Kamala, the vice president win, doesn't help governor win.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I would argue this, is that what it shows is that the tent is together, and that they needed that.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what part of this convention is.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, these conventions have a, yes, these conventions have a communication point for the voters.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: These are prime time, in essence, paid political advertisements for the parties.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But in this particular instance, one of the things I also think is that this party needs to heal, it needs to come together, and it needs to leave united.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And so having the luminaries that they're having, the former electeds, the former standard bearers of the party, is really powerful.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the Democrats are on track right now to leave incredibly unified and incredibly united.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Can they keep that up for the next three days?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But boy, oh boy, they blew the roof off the United Center last night, and you could get that sense through the television.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Before we get into discussing Biden's speech, I don't disagree, Lisa.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Hillary Clinton, Governor Beshear, AOC, Jill Biden, Julius.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Any key points from any of the speakers outside from Biden or your overall take on night one?

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Michael hit it on the head, right?

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a lot of the same, right?

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: People are like, why is Hillary Clinton speaking at the DNC convention almost 10 years later?

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the point you made, right?

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: There were 66 million people that voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, and she was the first major Democratic nominee that was a woman or even from both parties.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a lot of respect there for the shoulders that the party going forward, the DNC going forward, is standing on, right?

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we have a lot of respect for the people who paved the way.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And especially for us as Kamala Harris as our nominee, like having Hillary Clinton there means a lot because it's like this is the woman that we're building off of who really left.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: She likes to say 66 million shatters in that glass ceiling or cracks in that glass ceiling.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think, and I know we'll talk about this later too, there was a couple times I even got a little emotional.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not an emotional guy, but there was a couple of speeches where I was like, this is like America, right?

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what makes us great is we have such a diverse bench of people that believe in the values that our party brings.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Hillary Clinton, like it was emotional seeing her up there and being like, that could have been our first woman president.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And she was, I have my opinions about how that race went.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But having people like some of these lieutenant governors and county officials come and say, we don't have to be U.S. senators to make a difference.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Having a lot of these working class.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think actually one of the most pivotal moments of the night was having five union presidents come on stage and really make a strong case for this is the union party.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This, these are the people that are going to make our country better, make our country pro union.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And then again, I know we'll talk about this later, but like having these people come and share their stories about abortion and how that affected their lives personally.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the messaging overall is like, this is a people, this is a people driven party and it's not like an elite, elite driven party.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I really loved about it.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_03]: AOC.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think, sorry.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't mean to rant, but to go back to what you're saying, Michael, like having AOC who someone who came in as an activist came in, she's a DSA member come in and have the entire arena chant.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Her name goes to show that like the party is unified.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We might not agree on the policy stuff, but we are behind our people 100 percent and people like AOC who are the future of the party are getting the love they deserve.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And we are showing it through our unification that first time.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It was great.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was great.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw a Washington Post article that said it seemed the moment that it seemed to be the moment that AOC completed her journey from left wing squad member and a thorn in the side of her party's leaders in the past to being a bona fide Democratic establishment star.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That is one I saw.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It was all over my Twitter of the love and applause and support she was getting, which is different than what we've seen in the past.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: She has been very much the thorn in the side.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: We saw Cori Bush lose her primary.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We've seen Omar having some issues with her primary, obviously.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think that is something that is very different and will be interesting to see where she comes if she stays that way.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll see.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And one thing I want to hit on, too, there was this big argument on Twitter because I'm chronically online about if AOC has abandoned the progressive leftist movement.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so insane to me that people would be offended that this legitimate, like this person who came in as an activist is becoming a legitimate influencer and lawmaker on Capitol Hill.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why would you not want someone who if you're farther left, why would you not want someone like AOC legitimizing your movement by her becoming a legitimate policymaker and balancing the line of still being like an activist in her own way?

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you need to get stuff done.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the point of being a progressive.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's it was so odd to me just to see people upset, especially on the far left, that she was up there being an establishment show or whatever words you want to call it.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So I could I was very curious how Chuck Schumer, Senator United, Senator Schumer watching a House member.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised to see her in the United States Senate at some point because that was a very fiery speech.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm with you there.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she will be there sooner than later, for sure.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And while I know there's all of the rigmarole of getting speeches approved or at least sent into the conventions and all of that, they certainly took a chance.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They had AOC the same day as Hillary Clinton.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And I have to applaud that because that does show the diversity within the Democratic Party and something, unfortunately, we don't necessarily see on the Republican side.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But the big one of night one was President Joe Biden's speech, which did not start until after 1030 Central Time, way past my bedtime.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I was in bed. I watched it today. 90 minutes behind schedule, convention officials blamed the energetic crowd for delaying the schedule.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And they actually even pulled a handful of speakers from the lineup to to get him out there.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I was bummed.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You were bummed?

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I was. Man, you took my joke. I was going to ask if we're going to be seeing you this week.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But speaking of you, your Twitter feed last night read very much like a Biden fan club.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk to us. Can you explain a little bit?

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it about Biden? Because you haven't been a fan of Joe Biden like you are of Tim Walz.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it about Biden or was it because Biden did the right thing by stepping down and his speech reflected that?

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of emotions last night.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, let me say this.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand the Republicans want to and I really like Scott Jennings on CNN.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's fantastic.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a commentator on CNN and he does a lot of discussions and a lot of commentary.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking a bit about how this is like more of a funeral and Biden is giving a eulogy at his own funeral.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I got to applaud the Democrats for pulling this off because, as Nikki Haley said, the first party that replaces.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she may have said the first party that replaces the 80 year old at the top ticket is going to win.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the enthusiasm that's happening right now.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It is amazing to me how quickly Joe Biden, President Biden has been forgotten about.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was interesting to see that play out.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: His speech was delivered late at night.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't analyzed his State of the Union address, but it appears to be an offshoot of his State of the Union address with a few more punchy lines in it.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he gave it.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's over with and it's done.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The party process worked.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wish Republicans could do that because they want to talk about democracy and this is a coup and all this type of ridiculous stuff.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The bottom line is the party process worked.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The party process is sometimes ugly.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's frustrating and it can sometimes be brutal and unfair.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But so is life.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was good.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It was also I think he got the send off that he needed and he deserved.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I disagree with Joe Biden on politics.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I disagree with Joe Biden on policy.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I do not disagree or question Joe Biden's love for this country and his and how much he supports and defends the institutions of this country.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have no question about that.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And so to see someone to get that type of send off is what he deserved.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad to see him get it.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is surprising to me how quickly he has receded into the past.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will also say in the most respectful way possible.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: When he went up on stage and he spoke, he spoke.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, they absolutely made the right decision because what you've seen and you've seen.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is piggyback a little bit on what Julia said before.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The Democrats have a deep bench.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The Democrats right now are like the dream, like the Olympic basketball team in 1992.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They have a ridiculous bench.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the things that's happened over the last few weeks.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: In the last month since he's gotten out is you've seen all of these various rock stars that are in the back of the bench of the Democrats.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Really not, though, because they're United States senators or members of Congress.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: They're governors.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But they're overshadowed by obviously the president.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And to see them step up and effortlessly coordinate this, it's simply remarkable.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And as someone who used to be much more of a party boss, boy, it's respectful.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to watch.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to imagine that.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But again, let me say this.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I disagree with Joe Biden on a lot of things.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I do not disagree upon his love and reverence for this country.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And he deserved that sendoff last night.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: He got it.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Democrats handled it really well.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It was he came out to four minutes of applause, which is wild.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Joe, chance.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: There were thank you, Joe signs, aviators.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I certainly did a lot to make him feel the love.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And I expected his speech to maybe sound a little more bitter, to have a little bit more tinge of some a little bit disgruntled.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't I didn't get that.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that he sounded fine with the decision.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he seemed he had some great lines.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: He talked about America.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I gave my best to you for 50 years.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like many of you, I've given my heart and soul to this nation.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been blessed a million times in return with the support of the American people.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Julius, I don't know where you stood on the whole Biden thing before he dropped out and after.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But what was your take on his speech?

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a passing.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It seemed to be the passing of the baton and very energetic.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Now is Kamala's turn.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think as the resident DFLer here, I will give.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So before the Biden before Biden dropped out, when Dean Phillips started running for president, I did say like publicly, I think Biden needs to drop out.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't support Dean because I thought he was the best candidate.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a really great guy.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that you could see it in the writing on the wall really early on that Biden was going to have a serious problem.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like getting the Democratic coalition to stay together as unified and as strong as it is now.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not his fault.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like part of it is.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think here's what I will say about the speech.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think like Michael said and that Scott Jennings said it was like a eulogy and like a goodbye to America.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, this is it.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm done.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And I actually am upset about it because I think that DNC did a lot of disrespect towards him in the process.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it took so long that he was out of prime time by the time he started speaking.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that just goes to show that was to me, that's a little disrespectful.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: This guy gave a really like he did a phenomenal job in his four years of president.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's a good guy.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a good man.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he should have been in that prime time slot if you have to move people around or just take a bunch of other people out, do it.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So that to me, that was the issue.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But here's what I will say.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And Michael, I agree with you.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we made the right choice.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like a very early person being like we need to move on from him.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Not because I don't like him.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Joe Biden, but we needed someone else.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll tell you why.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a he has a messaging problem and it's not him.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's his team.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought throughout the speech, it was really good.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, it was a playoff of it.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It definitely was a playoff of his state of union with some digs in there.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But he the problem with Joe Biden is I think that speech even yesterday, he kept trying to convince people who don't feel like the country is a lot better that it is better.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I think the problem with Joe Biden is that he's he can't inspire the way that Kamala Harris can because of who she is.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But also his messaging is just his team that's around him is lacking.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he kept talking about how the economy is so great.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Objectively, the numbers say that they are.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But people don't feel that way.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't tell people who don't feel that way.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That is the case.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, what else was he?

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you can't or crime, right?

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He talked about crime in a speech.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, crime is down the lowest it's ever been in 50 years.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I live in North Minneapolis.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It does not feel that way.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't tell people that and expect them to just get on board.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to keep inspiring them and giving them a vision of, hey, here's where we are.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: We are doing exponentially better.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's how we're going to grow off of that.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think, you know what?

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Joe Biden went out with a bang.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He had some times there where I was like, oh, this is a little rough.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You slurred a little bit.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to understand.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that, like you said, no one questions his loyalty to this country.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And he gave up impeccable four years if you're a Democrat for policy.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He did so much of this four years.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't help but just say like that.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for doing that for us because it was in its own right impactful and exponential.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't disagree.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I had some issues with those exact things that you mentioned.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: They're when you're explaining you're losing.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's just it's easy to say those things.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But like you said, when people are not feeling them, when we're seeing a shooting in Minnesota

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: where four kids under 13 were just shot in Minneapolis, it's just tough when we still

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: we go to the store and buy our eggs and milk and all this.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And Joe Biden certainly not.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So it is tough to see that.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But overall, I do think that it was a decent speech.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I, I thought he shouted the whole time.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a little tough.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't have any huge stumbles until about 30 minutes in.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So I do think he sounded stronger than I expected, especially with the late time, which I'm with

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was just a little disrespectful, both the late time out of prime time, but also

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: because of the struggles that he has been very apparent about how he doesn't do much

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: after 8 p.m.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And this was 1130 Eastern time.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty wild.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: A couple of things that I did want to that I notes I jotted down as I was listening because

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I am a nerd and take notes when I do that.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: One line that I thought was really great.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, I stand before you to report democracy has prevailed.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Democracy has delivered.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And now democracy must be preserved.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Knocked it out of the park on that one.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was really great of saying, this is what we've done and this is what's coming

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: forward.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And because it was very, that is very clearly what the campaign is trying to make a point

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: of.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought that was great.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He made an old joke about how he knew more foreign leaders' names because he's old.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was fun, cute.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: He called Trump a loser, which we talked about is his zinger in the debate that we expected

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: of.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's got to get that in there.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And one last thing.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: One thing that we'll get into a little bit more later, I struggled with the Charlottesville

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: stuff and going into all of that and hammering Trump on the both sides, but then saying, making

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: his comments of the people outside have a good point.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll chat about all of that at the end of the show.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But I struggled with that.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Overall, though, I do think he delivered well.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he sounded stronger than I expected him to come out sounding.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And he effectively passed the baton and will recede into the wings.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess just be president for the next couple months and sayonara.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say one of the things that resonated with me was the constant themes of democracy.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: As someone who has last week endorsed Harrison Walls, one of the reasons, one of the threads

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that I think connects the Democrat and the Republican Party right now, and this is not a left versus

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: right issue.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an up person down, as a lot of people have talked about, is believing in the rule

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: of law, believing in democracy, believing in the Constitution.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to applaud the Democrats for embracing and using that rhetoric, using that phraseology,

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think is important.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I will also say the chants of USA were authentic, real, and I think were delightful.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And as someone who is still wearing his Olympic cap, and for two reasons, number one, I'm

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_00]: a big Olympic fan, but two of the bright lights when I'm doing the podcast, it felt really good.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It felt authentic and it felt real.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that particularly for Republicans like myself who are supporting this ticket,

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the connective tissue is on democracy.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's on the rule of law and it's on the Constitution.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And to see the Democrats so willingly, openly embrace that and accept it, I think is important.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's remember, this is still a Democratic National Convention.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by that is making Republicans independents and others feel included is part

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: of the job, but it's not the primary objective.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This is about rallying the base.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And so them spending any time inserting that type of language and giving up some precious

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: real estate, I think is a significant overture and it shouldn't be missed.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Agreed.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: One last thing I want to talk about from night one is there was a focus on abortion rights.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked a lot about how this is going to be an issue that brings some people to the

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: ballot box.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That is their decision maker when they are going to that.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_04]: They had three women sharing very emotional stories about abortion and the post-Roe v.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Wade world that we are in.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: One was a rape survivor whose stepfather impregnated her when she was 12.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Another waited three days for an abortion for a non-viable pregnancy.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And another was turned away from an emergency room despite miscaraging.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what, as somebody who is a Republican and pro-choice, these are the stories that I think

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_04]: are really impactful because it's not about a 30-year-old woman who went out and had a wild

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_04]: one-night stand and just chose that it was going to ruin her life if she had a baby.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't because of mistakes or wild nights out or just because of whatever it might be.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: There are real life, which is obviously a side of it.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But these are the stories that I think when we're talking about the safe, legal, and rare

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: ways of abortion that why abortion should be allowed is because of this.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of a 12-year-old who is forced to carry a child to term that her stepfather raped her.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It is just mind-boggling.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And it makes me, I'm literally shaking just thinking of the trauma that these women went

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: through and the pain that they had to go through to try to save their lives and move on from

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_04]: horrible traumas.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was really compelling.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was really important.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciate their way of looking at this and focusing on the things that are not normally

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: focused on when we talk about abortion.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And any insight from either of you that you'd like to share?

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Julius, go ahead.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So you said you're a nerd earlier and you wrote down notes.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I can show you here.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a whole notebook of things that I work writing down.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But one of the, specifically on the abortion part, the girl's name that was raped by her

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_03]: stepdad, Hadley Duvall.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So for me, it's one thing I jotted down is Republicans have an abortion issue.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They are getting slammed in red states when it comes to referendums on abortion.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And it has not gone well for them.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And women are like exponentially turning away from them.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Even women that would probably be traditional Republican voters, suburban women.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump already has a woman problem.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And this exasperated messaging on abortion is going to hurt him a lot.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's not a lot of places he can make up that gap he's going to have in gender, or

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: at least from what it looks like now.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So Hadley Duvall, raped by her stepdad.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I coach, I'm also a volleyball coach.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I coach club volleyball.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that girl is close to the age of girls that I coach.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: If one of my kids came into the gym and like, I would rip someone's head off.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That is, those are the kind, like you said, those are the kinds of stories that like make

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: normal everyday Americans think like that could be my kid.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That could be my niece.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That could be like someone else's like daughter.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the other thing I really want to hit on with the reproductive rights that I thought

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the DNC did so well in there when they were programming, this is the husband and the wife

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're talking about the medical issues that almost cost her life.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And the husband's name, Josh, I don't want to butcher it.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Josh Zerowski.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He said, he quote said, the fight for reproductive rights isn't just a woman's fight.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that was so powerful and so good because it emphasizes that reproductive

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_03]: rights isn't, we hate babies and we just want to, like you said, just get rid of them.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's this idea that they're like, if you really care about freedom, you care that you can do

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_03]: what you want to do when you want to do it.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's no one else's business, especially the government's.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But the way that the husband said, this isn't just a woman's fight, I think really is going

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_03]: to inspire a lot of maybe down the middle, down the road, men who are like iffy to be

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like, maybe I don't agree with this, but if this was my daughter, if this was my wife,

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I would want them to do what makes sense for them.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I thought that was really good, like bringing a lot of men into the fight.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I think this is sometimes a conversation that a lot of activists say this man, men can't

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_03]: speak about this because you guys don't have uteruses, but it's like, don't you want

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: people advocating for your choice?

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I thought it was so good.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a part that made me really emotional was the, was Hadley, the young girl and the

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: husband.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause it made me think, man, this is what America is like.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And we need like more people to step up and fight whether for freedom, whether you are

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: a Democrat or Republican.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And one, one thing I really quickly want to go back onto is that Michael was talking about

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: is this like the chance of USA and this idea that there's going to monopoly on patriotism

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: by the right to, or like by the GOP to be like, we are the country of, or we're the party

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: of patriots.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you can see in the DNC's messaging yesterday and through the next couple of days

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that like, they're really attempting to take back that, that idea that we are also patriots

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and it just looks a little different the way we define it.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was really good.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you see that through that abortion thing and those abortion messaging issues and

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the other stuff that they were doing last night.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought it was great.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I have, I will say to you, having watched a number of, having attended a few conventions

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and having watched them, Ms. Duvall's statement was probably the most powerful moment at a political

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: convention, aside from one of the candidates accepting the nominee that I've ever seen.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_00]: When she went on the stage and quoted Donald Trump talking about the state's passing abortions,

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_00]: a beautiful thing.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she said, what is so beautiful about a child having to carry her parents' child?

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The, it, I stopped in my tracks.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching with my family and there, the oxygen just left the room.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was such a powerful moment.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is, and Becky, I leaned on some of our conversations and it was, I think a very important

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_00]: way in which to frame and bracket this issue.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Because as I think a number of Republicans would like to think that this, that the issue of abortion

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is in some of the ways as which you described, but there are real life circumstances.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And having the bravery that it took for Ms. Duvall to go up on stage and say that is, is something,

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how she mustered the courage to do it, but I will say to you, aside from a,

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the candidates accepting a speech, it is hands down the most powerful moment that

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I've ever seen at a political convention.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And people are going to be talking about it for years, if not decades, that moment.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it is further indication of how Republicans have an issue on messaging

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_00]: on abortion.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how you message against that.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And Becky, this is a subject that we've talked about, and I have some ideas we can talk about

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: off air about further discussions on it.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But I immediately thought about our discussions and it was just like, wow, holy moly.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to just say again, I don't know how she mustered the courage to do it.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: My thoughts, my prayers, and the strength that she had to tell that story is simply remarkable.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is without a doubt, one of the most powerful moments I've ever seen at a political

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_00]: convention.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Agreed.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for letting us give a little time to that, because I do think it's important.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it will be something we continue to talk about.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And like I said, I do think it's something that's going to be a decision maker for a lot

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of voters out there.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of, in particular, women voters and suburban women voters, which are going to be crucial

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: up and down the ticket for both sides.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll chat a little bit just in general about this week is obviously about Harris and Walls.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_04]: There seems to be a lot of excitement there.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Any just general thoughts of this convention, Harris Walls, what we can anticipate?

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We have Governor Walls speaking on Wednesday, the vice president speaking on Thursday.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys excited for these speeches?

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Julia, take it away.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You're the guest.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thanks.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I am super excited.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the Tim Walls pick for us.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to say, like when Joe Biden announced he was going to drop out, I was at our campaign

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_03]: office.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I promise you, Joe, I promise you, Tim Walls will be the VP pick.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think here's what I will say.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: The Democrats this next we have to as a party in the next three days, make sure that the

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_03]: focus is on the vision of the future and not Donald Trump.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say I had a little bit of I had a little bit of a issue with how many times they talk

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_03]: about Trump and how evil and awful and they're doing this Project 2025 thing.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Leave leave it alone.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: This is about what the Democratic Party can do for the future and for the people of this

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_03]: country.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And let's stick to that.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think Tim Walls is going to do a great job of that.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's just he's such a dad.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He's such a Midwestern dad.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that'll be super exciting.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Kamala Harris's speech is going to be it's going to be ridiculously like

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: put together and it's going to be super inspiring.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm yeah, I think it'll be a it's going to be a great convention.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if they stay on theme and really hammer some of the messaging of the middle class

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and for the people like that, will that'll be great.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That'll be really inspiring, I think, for a lot of people who are on the fence.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be a what I'm looking forward to this week and a couple of things.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting take on the negativity on the Trump.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to defer to the Democrats on whether the balance that needs to be struck.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we need to remember this a little bit of a truncated convention.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a shorter process.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I did have some people ask me.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I did have a couple of Republicans say, boy, they're being awful negative.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, they're being awful negative.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much what's the gauges on that.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's I don't know how to gauge that.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say to you, I think that I think the question is, can they keep the enthusiasm

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: going?

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the only challenge that they have right now.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things is I do think that the feel of the convention, it has a much I want to be

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_00]: fair.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that the Republican convention and I tweeted this out that I thought that Trump's

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of my summation of the Republican convention was Republicans were unified.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: They were unified in under the umbrella in which they do.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And Becky, please push back at me if you think I'm not being accurate in what I'm describing

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_00]: here.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But again, they were unified around.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We had Republicans on that were very excited about J.D.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Vance.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You and I had some reservations about his pick, but they were unified about Trump.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: My general sense is that they accomplished the message of unifying Republicans around

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump and the enthusiasm that was there.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that as I described, I thought Trump's speech was a bit long.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he gave the Democrats a gift by if he would have gone 30 minutes on stage,

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about what happened and then left.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the race would be in a much different place right now.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think by him going out and politicizing his speech, and let's remember it was coming

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_00]: on the heels of him nearly being assassinated.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so there was a lot of deference that I think grace given to him to message.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But when he went out there and kind of went back to the normal kind of stump speech,

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: it normalized the race.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was, I think, the big gift to the Democrats.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think in my message, my tweet of the kind of the final night of the Republican

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_00]: convention was Trump's speech was a little long.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans are united.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Democrats are in chaos.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would say that the advantage was to the Republicans at that point.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the script has been totally changed.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you could feel the energy at the United Center.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You could feel the enthusiasm that was there.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And the question is, can they sustain it?

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they can, but that'll be the message in which to see what they can do.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm incredibly excited to watch Governor Walz's speech and Vice President Harris'

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: speech.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say that I thought was really fun, if you're some candidates on social

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: media, while Governor Walz's children were there, they were giving him rabbit ears.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It had a very jovial atmosphere to it.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting to see former Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the floor chanting, go, Joe, go

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with everyone else in the convention.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They've had a little bit of a frosty relationship since he decided not to run for re-election.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And so ultimately, it was just, it's going to be really to see, can they keep that energy

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: sustained?

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no reason why I don't think they can.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to start by playing devil's advocate that I believe it's called bunny ears

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and not rabbit ears.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Just want to know.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Rabbit ears?

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's rabbit ears.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Bunny ears.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll put a poll out or something on Twitter.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Man, oh man.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we'll absolutely need next week to chat about the bounce post-election, or I'm

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_04]: sorry, post-convention and what happens.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We saw the Sunday after the RNC convention, Biden dropped out and took all the wind out

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_04]: of the sails from the Republican side.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I have to imagine if I was on Team Trump, they've got something up their sleeve probably

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: to try to do the same.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't mean that.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Some attack or plan or vision.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I also think that there's some expectations of what we're going to see from Harris after

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: this.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: We're 30 days in.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't had a press conference, a sit-down interview.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We need to see a lot more for her.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_04]: We're just a couple weeks away from the next presidential debate between Harris and Trump,

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: which is going to be wild.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of expectations of what needs to happen to continue this enthusiasm.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we'll see a lot of that.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: The polls are looking great, but time will tell of what comes.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And certainly we're going to have to analyze Harris's speech and how long she goes.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Biden went some 45, 50 minutes.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I would expect Harris's to also be longer than the 30 minutes you would have liked to

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: see from Trump.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But we will chat more about that when we get more of that.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to hit on some of the notable Republicans attending.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You broke the news that you are not one of the notable Republicans attending or speaking

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_04]: at the convention.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But we do have Representative Barbara Comstock, who is from Virginia.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She was on CNN this week, and she said, quote, after Donald Trump refused to acknowledge

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that he lost in his threats against democracy, it's important to turn the page.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That is why I'm voting for the vice president.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Former Representative Adam Kinzinger from Illinois is going to be speaking later this week.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He has been longstanding critic of Trump, voted to impeach him due to the insurrection.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Anna Navarro, co-host of The View, strategist big on social media.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_04]: She is also going to be speaking there.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think it is something we sometimes see a little bit of this, but I think in this

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_04]: situation, it is there's certainly a concerted effort of Republicans who are jumping over.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans for Harris, obviously, on Twitter, Michael Broadcroft's op-ed.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There is an effort here of Republicans who are supporting the Harris Walls ticket and being

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: vocal.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is certainly of note here.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Julius, do you think this is a good angle for the DNC to take in highlighting these Republicans

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_04]: coming over to their side?

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's a super great idea.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people who voted for Nikki Haley, probably, who voted for some other Republicans

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: that can't stomach voting for Trump.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, Michael, I don't know.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you I think you said you've never voted for Trump, but you're still a Republican

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: in theory, right?

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're still a Republican in the way that you view the world and how you see policy.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the biggest thing that they should do with the Republicans is not come

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and say, hey, this is why it's good to be a Republican and vote because of policy, but

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: make the moral argument for why Trump isn't one, not really a conservative, but also like

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: why Trump is bad for America and why he's bad for the overall health of the conservatives

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and the liberal healthy two party system is what we need.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Republicans saying, hey, we're willing to buck our party because this is the

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: this is what this is what's going to save democracy.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Get up there and make them have them make the moral case for Republicans say, listen,

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_03]: vote for now and vote against her in four years when we have a better candidate.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think that it's a really good idea.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a lot of Republicans that are going to be out there that can't stomach

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump that that are going to see other Republicans saying, hey, like this has been bigger

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: than this is bigger than us.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This is bigger than our party.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's really going to be fundamentally like part of building

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: commonwealth coalition in this really tight race, especially in Pennsylvania and some

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: of those places.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will just say because we've talked about this a bit before, but I will just say

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm incredibly impressed by the fact that they're dedicating some of their prime real

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_00]: estate to letting some Republicans come in exactly as Julia's described.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not coming in and saying this is why you all should be the Republicans aren't

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: using it as a recruiting opportunity.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_00]: They're talking about why on some connective issues they're supporting.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great move by the Harrison Walls campaign.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It shows confidence both in their ticket and their willingness to be inviting in.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will just say as someone who's been just briefly working with the campaign, I'm impressed

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: by the respect that they're showing.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that they're showing that Republicans, independents have value to this ticket.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's very it's going to reap long term benefits for the Harris Walls campaign.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked a lot about the unity within the Democratic Party.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to chat a little bit about the division, because this is certainly something that we

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_04]: have seen a little bit of and potentially we'll see a little bit more of.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yesterday, there were so we've got the anti-Israel, pro-Palestine sect of Democrats.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Minnesota does have the most uncommitted delegates at the convention with 11.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_04]: We have a quote that from Jeremiah Ellison, who is the son of Keith Ellison, who said,

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_04]: we are delegates to the party.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone involved is a party actor.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We hope to come out of Chicago secure in our feelings and ready to doorknock for Kamala

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Harris.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But we can't get to that place at the expense of the lives in Palestine.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So we did see yesterday there was anticipated to have some 40,000 protesters that definitely

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: fell short of that in Chicago yesterday.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So far, it's a long week.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see what happens.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: There was a part yesterday where they some of the protesters did pull down a part of the

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_04]: fence of the perimeter.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_04]: There were some arrests that happened.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's certainly I was listening to not a regular listener, but did listen to part of the Ruthless

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And they said, when you show up at the RNC convention, there are Democrats protesting.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And when you show up at the DNC convention, there are also Democrats protesting.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So there certainly is some division here within the party that time will tell what happens.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So delegates, some delegates have made demands that will absolutely not be met before the

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_04]: end of the convention.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is a private meeting with Kamala Harris, an arms embargo in Israel, a change of the

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_04]: democratic platform, moving U.S. policy away from Israel.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: There was there are some folks that are potentially trying to have an embarrassing scene happen on

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the floor, grabbing the microphones, trying to get a ceasefire.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Julia, as somebody, part of the DFL.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this is something we talked a little bit.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of Don Samuel's being called a Nazi and Omar's play in some of this.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: What's your take of the division within the party?

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this potentially going to be a bigger scene or do you think it's more overblown and we

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: won't see much of anything from them past the perimeter teardown that we saw yesterday?

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard, right?

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard because there's a lot of really good people in that movement that have some

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: legitimate policy points that they want to see be met through the Harris campaign and

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: their policy stances as it relates to Israel and Gaza.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, though, that what here, going back to what we were talking about earlier, here's

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the problem with that movement is that they don't care about legitimacy in my eyes.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: They care about being agitators.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the only way to meet their demands is to be agitators and not to lean on their

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: lawmakers.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I want to be careful because I do personally support C-SPIRE, right?

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's too far.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I also think is that these people are not viewing the bigger picture here.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't call Kamala Harris killer Kamala and then expect her to sit and listen to what

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to say about Israel and Palestine.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't call Joe genocide Joe and think that this man is going to give you any time

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: of the day.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't he's not obligated to.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This is an issue that is has been a problem for 70 years.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't just make it a black and white issue and say, oh, this is exactly how you

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: need to do it, especially for a lot of people in that in those groups that can't even tell

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: you like a historical bullet point breakdown of how this functions.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the GOP has issues with their extremism.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We have issues with ours.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that the the Palestinian like the push for peace in Palestine is an extremism.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there are there are bad actors there who are just being agitators and not

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: thinking about the long term policy goals.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think it'll I don't think it'll be any more intense than it was yesterday.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Chicago police and like all these police law enforcement things or agencies did a really

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: good job of tamping it down.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it also speaks to like the arrogance of these people to think that they deserve

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: time in front of the strongest people in the world because of the positions that they have.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to meet our demands, please.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there are people sitting in a room right now working on a ceasefire deal and you don't

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: know half of it.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think we'll I think we'll weed out our extremists.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But I again, I want to be really careful, like because you call for a ceasefire doesn't make

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: you an extremist.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But when you make it, we need to eliminate the state of Israel.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you are an extremist and you deserve no space or oxygen in our party.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to sacrifice progress at the expense of one group of people for another.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to make progress with both groups included.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's something that the DNC and the DF or the Democratic Party is going

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: to do is doing well and is going to do well.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the GOP can take a couple of notes about handling their extremists.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Just a couple of quick points.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I have long and Becky, we've discussed this before that I had in a couple earlier shows,

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I had raised some concerns about what would happen at the convention related to some of

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: these protests.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And also the changing of the ticket, would it open some platform issues?

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Would it open some more discussions?

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I also said that one of the advantages of this chaotic convention and the change in the

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: itinerary and the focus meant that we were not going to be screwing around right now,

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that there was not going to be that type of stuff and that there was going to be more

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: pressure because of the risk that the Democrats have by not being united and electing Donald

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump, that they would, everyone would stay, that some of that would be rain back.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And so far that's happened.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen, I've seen less of the protests than I had expected.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why that is.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: What exactly if there's been an organized effort inside the Democratic Party to curtail some

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: of that stuff, but I have seen less of it.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The one, just one little interesting story I would know.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I was at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City, walking into Madison Square

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Garden.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I heard the law enforcement, police officers outside say that protesters were coming and

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: they made this announcement.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They said, hats and bats, boys, hats and bats.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I walked up, I said, what do you mean hats and bats?

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes, helmets and batons.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, they're serious.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think about these conventions and there is a, particularly having just read a book about

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the 68th presidential election.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot, I think that a lot of people had that, that 68 convention coming back and

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: all of that kind of turmoil.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The Democrats so far, day one, have done really a good job of, I think, keeping everyone focused

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: on where they need to be.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I view this kind of like a, like a family dinner and it's, it's mom and dad's anniversary.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to, we're not going to bicker at mom and dad's 50th anniversary party now.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what I think could be benefiting them.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I expect there to still be some attention on it.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: There's going, obviously going to be protesters out at whether it gets to the level that was

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: anticipated, I think is really the level of protest.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think is really going to be telling.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And if they are able to do anything on the floor.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And if I could just one more point, one more time.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if you guys saw this, but there actually was Minnesota delegates that

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: turned their back to Joe Biden while he was speaking and like, we're holding up, you know,

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: anti-war like genocide Joe buttons.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But the other thing I think that.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I miss that.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, yeah, that's like a pep and a freshman prep.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a pep rally.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: When the seniors put the newspapers up.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually the, there was another point where there was some delegates that were holding

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: up a sign that said, I can't remember what the sign said, but it was like pretty anti-war

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like sign.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was delegates trying to rip it out their hands while Joe Biden was speaking,

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: which was actually why they were delegates were chanting.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we love you, Joe so loud.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause they were trying to protest.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you, you make a really, again, you make a really good point that like, I,

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it wasn't, I really thought it was going to be so much more worse.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And listen, I love Chicago.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's my hometown.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: There are some very passionate people out there.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So I really did think it was going to be a lot worse, but I think the other thing I

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: want to hit on the other thing that I think has helped this is she's actually giving them

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: space like to come and speak and listen.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they had a, they had a session about Palestinian rights for the first time ever at

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: any convention ever.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually Keith Ellison, one of the speakers on there, Jeremiah is my council member.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I know him well, but like, I think things like that, where you just give them, you

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: give them space to speak about their grievances and then say, Hey, if we are giving you

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: this room with us, don't disrespect us by make, by, by me giving you space and then

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you slapping me in the face when I give you space.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that that's been super helpful to tamping that stuff down.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't, I really don't think it'll get any worse.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think other protesters who might be there to agitate probably saw that it was qualmed

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: really quickly and are like, well, I don't think it's worth it.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: My last note on it is, I think it's, I don't know if entertaining is the right word, but

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting that one of the main groups who is organizing these protests is an LGBTQ

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: group, which if you're familiar with anything in the Middle East is certainly not an LGBTQ

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: friendly zone.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And had those individuals been over in Palestine would most certainly be murdered.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just wild to me, but I did think it was an important thing to mention because

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: there is certainly while a lot of unity within the convention hall, there is some, certainly

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: some division within the democratic party as well.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see how that, again, how that goes through the week and the rest of the convention.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's, I agree with you guys.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that it's necessarily going to have the impact that we thought it would be

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: before, but we'll chat about it next week when we know more.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So just want to close with what we're expecting for the remainder of the week here.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So night one, they always have a theme.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about that at the RNC convention as well.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Night one's theme was for the people.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Today, Tuesday, a bold vision for America's future.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to see second gentleman, Doug Emhoff, former president Barack Obama and former first

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: lady Michelle Obama, amongst many others.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just sharing some of the notable.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Tomorrow, Wednesday is a fight for our freedoms when governor Tim Walz is going to be speaking

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: former president, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: There was some conflicting thoughts of governor Josh Shapiro, not getting one of the primetime

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: spots that a lot of people expected him to get.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, we chatted about this a little bit when we chatted about the shortlist, folks can talk

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: about why that may or may not be.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But I believe what I read and saw was that mayor Pete got the job or got the slot that

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: people thought Shapiro should get.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see if that causes any ruckus around Wednesday.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Thursday is for our future.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's when we're going to be hearing from Vice President Kamala Harris.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, when we'll be hearing from Adam Kinzinger, again, former Republican congressman, who,

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: by the way, I met, I was in Congress when he, or working for Tom Emmer in Congress when

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: he was out there.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And I actually met him at the 2016 RNC convention and I'm with him.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe I'll go back to the archives and pull that out.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that will be a really interesting speech.

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a really passionate individual and I'm excited to hear from him for sure.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think, like you guys mentioned, I do think it will be along the lines of what you talked

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: about.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Chair Ken Martin and Senator Amy Klobuchar will be speaking.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see more from Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan as she will be gabbling in and out

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: of the conventions most days.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Anybody that who, Julius, who are you most, aside from Walls and Harris, who are you most

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: excited to hear from this week?

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh, that's a hard one.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually really love Pete Buttigieg.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have, if he hadn't dropped out in the primaries in 2020, I would have voted for

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: him.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he is just a phenomenal speaker.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He messes it.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just such a great guy and he's so good at drawing people.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's a great speaker.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say, I love Michelle Obama too.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's probably going to be one of the bigger ones.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: She's so popular in the party.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think people are going to go crazy when she comes out, but I think that'll be a really

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: good one.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, probably Mayor Pete is probably, or Secretary Pete now is probably the one that

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely most excited for.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, these are your people now.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Who are you most excited to hear from?

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Just twisting the knife every aspect.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I'm really interested in what Walls is going to say.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited about that.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also, I think it's interesting to see, again, Becky, I'll go back to this.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the things that's been missing from the Republican convention was all of these

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: luminaries, all of these former electives, I should say, all these former standard bearers

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: for the party.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that missed out a bit.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that as Republicans, we could say, maybe that would have been nice.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I think it represents a little bit of the lack of unity in the party.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're doing a great job of laying out the vision in the nights.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I really want to get like next week, Becky, your take on just going through the convention

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: because you have such a good comms PR mind about laying what you think from an app, how

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you think they delivered their message and laid them out.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd be a really good contrast, particularly get your perspective on that because you're

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so good at that kind of bracketing and messaging and how it would be done.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say I'm interested in to see if there's going to be any surprise

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: guests is, are we going to get a Taylor Swift appearance or something like that?

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Oil boy.

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Swifties are for Trump now.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there, I have to believe that there's something getting cooked up, right?

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Luke Skywalker.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he going to show up?

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He's already there.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He's already there.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anyone from Star Trek is going to be there, Becky.

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Beyonce, maybe they've been playing a lot of her music.

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be huge.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that would be something?

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans had Hulk Hogan.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to have some celebrity, right?

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Is Julia Louis-Dreyfus rewatching?

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be awesome.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's going to be, there's got to be a couple celebrities that I think we'll see.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: One thing I really, speaking of celebrities, Steve Kerr knocked it out of the park yesterday.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That is someone I would love to see in some sort of elected office when he's done coaching.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That was really, I thought he did a phenomenal job.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So speaking of celebrities, Steve Kerr was really just, he was a beast.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: One last subject before I'm done is Becky and I, Becky, we spent a lot of time talking about Taylor Swift, particularly about the NFL season because of her support, because she's living my dream, which is what is my dream?

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Going to football games and watching them in boxes and traveling across the country.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing I'm frustrated with about Taylor Swift is that she's living my dream as a football fan.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Describe, Becky, if you can, this strategy for a second.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not assigning this to you, but we've talked about the juggernaut, which is the Swifties.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And they are without a doubt, I think the strongest movement and force in this world.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump is out there disseminating AI messages, AI images trying to convey that Taylor Swift is supporting him.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, that would not be something that I would do.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I would not want to tick off a Taylor Swift.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I would not want to tick off Taylor Swift or any of her legions of her vance.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It's wild.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She's still in London.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: She's got a lot going on.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that we'll see her there.

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It would certainly be the most forward endorsement that she has done.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: She's dipped her toe in here and there.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I think we'll see.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: If Trump keeps poking the bear, maybe that will be what it is.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't understand the logic in that.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why you would pick a fight with Taylor Swift or her fan base.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They are aggressive.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They will chew you up and spit you out.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm scared of Swifties.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Just one second.

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What happens if it happens?

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: What happens if she walks on stage or there's anything like that?

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's certainly some people that will be turned off.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that some people are demanding it of her, just like they do have some celebrities.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's very two different camps here, right?

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: With all celebrities.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That when you have a platform, you should use that platform and speak up and speak out on policies and candidates.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Others saying stick to your day job.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You're a singer.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You're an actor.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Stick with that.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I personally, I don't agree with a lot of the celebrities' policy choices and what they support.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: If you have a platform, utilize your platform.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You've worked hard for that.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there is nothing wrong.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Just like if a teacher or a doctor wants to share their political views, you're not immune from having views on policies because you are famous.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And because you have millions of people devoted to you and what you do.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't have an issue of that.

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's certainly every individual celebrity has a brand.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to see if that aligns to and how it's going to impact your brand.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of the day, I don't think Taylor Swift has much of a brand issue.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I think her folks are going to be there.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see Swifties who are paying these dollars to go to the Aeros tour and who watch all of her Easter eggs and analyze every lyric and every emotion and everything that she does.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see them really falling by the wayside if she were to endorse Biden.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But that is a very calculated thing.

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think certainly she is one of the most, her and her team are one of the most smart businesses or corporations that we've ever seen.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think that they also have to probably see it is heading into football season.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this going to be more of a distraction when she's now going to be sitting at the suites?

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Are the Chiefs now going to have to be, is it being political in the football arena?

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that it's something that they want to walk into.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw something from her.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So before we close out, I want to give Julius an opportunity for you to go off on your food.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You've had a lot of buildup, aggression, hostility towards me, which I think is undeserved because I'm inviting you into the, along with Becky, we're inviting you into this space.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to take advantage of that opportunity to be a guest here to unload it, what's your beef with my food takes?

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that they're bad.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's as simple as it goes.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I see that there was, I see Becky and Julius worked off script a little bit on this.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did plot beforehand.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I just miss this.

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Be specific.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Which food take is bad?

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Michael, you dying on the hill of Turkey is pretty aggressive.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The worst holiday meat of all time.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's dry.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to cook it for hours.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It has no flavor.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You could literally dip a turkey in grease and it would still taste bland and dry.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ham on the other hand.

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Julius, that seems like user error.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have, guess what?

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You just turned an invitation to my house to have turkey dinner.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you just turned.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to make sure.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go to Becky's and we're going to have ham.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, come on.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Any other food takes?

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I also have to say you did some of your fast food ones.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I have respected.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't love them, but I've respected them.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Your candy bar.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, no, hold on.

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be balanced here.

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Becky's candy bars were like just they were not great.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They were just take five bar.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Take five.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my gosh.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: What is that?

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's like you give those out at nursing homes.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what are we doing here?

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Take fives.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Excuse me.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Charleston shoes are like 80 years old.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the great.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, maybe it's just because I have a refined palate.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I really.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I respect that.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I respect that you come out and you just say what you think.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And even if that turkey is great, which it's not.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course it is.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's I think really.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Taco Bell or Taco John's.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really the deciding factor here.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, a couple of things.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I my kids go to Taco Bell more, but I would go to Taco John's if I could more than Taco

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Bell.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's we are crossing the aisle and working together.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Taco John's is quite literally the best food, like the best fast food on the planet.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Biggest mistake Taco Bell ever did was getting rid of their border fries.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I stuck on those potato lays, man.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: My son agrees with you.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Becky.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I want.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I need some more food takes on the podcast.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I need.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I need more.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Bring them back.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I need more content to harass Michael on the Internet with.

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just at.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to plug.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just at the world's largest candy store.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And oh, my God.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That place is fantastic.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have to.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what we have to do?

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to meet up at the state fair and do like food reviews of.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Becky, you're going to go to the state fair, right?

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Before we go, I want to remind everyone that Becky and I are going to be at the 2024 MinPost Festival on September 28th.

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: This is an exciting full day event with speakers from Minnesota as well as national voices.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky and I will be hosting our first live podcast event.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'd like you to join us.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put the link to purchase tickets in the show notes and on social or social channels.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You can take advantage of a 30% discount by purchasing before September 3rd.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We would love to see you all in person.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky, as I've noted before, I think there's I think you're going to have more of a fan club than I think particularly in my house.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a number of people lining up ready to meet you in person.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So can't wait.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be fantastic.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank you both.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Becky, by the way, just fantastic show prep.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You just coordinate these things and do these things with such great.

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to say thank you to our listeners and to you, Becky, for doing this.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Julius, it was nice to have you here just once.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You ruined it at the end.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you enjoyed your note.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: With all of our guests, with all of our guests, we always want to get a second opportunity.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So we hope that this is a fun experience that you'd be willing to come back and share some more of your terrible food takes.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And no, just in all seriousness, we'd hope you'd come back at some point.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love that you guys gave me the opportunity to come here.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You guys are awesome.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Michael, we'll find some common ground and we'll work across the aisle.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, thanks so much for having me.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I really appreciate it.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, Becky, thank you again for just doing this.

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It really means a lot to me and I really enjoy it.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I couldn't imagine doing it with anyone else and just want to say thanks again for all of your discussions in this space that we've helped create.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We want to thank you for listening to The Breakdown with Brock Corbin and Becky.

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[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The Breakdown with Brock Corbin and Becky will be back soon.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for joining us today.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.